Jump to content

August 22-26, 2011


Toups

Recommended Posts

  • Webmaster

I'm not sure why parts of this thread turns into a fight week after week. Exactly who is being helped when you guys argue? Let someone have a differing opinion than yours and don't hide behind snide comments. Remember, only the posters of this forum dissect ratings this much and no one else besides the #'s crunchers at the networks/studios. They fight to sell ad space, you fight to ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 87
  • Created
  • Last Reply
  • Members

If you scroll back Toups asked for HELP determining the last time OLTL was #1 alone in 18-34 demos. We went back over the last time OLTL had big spikes, Todd's execution, Dan's gay reveal, etc, and that's how November 2000 came into the discussion.

This thread was pretty respectful and on topic, discussing RATINGS, until someone jumped in SOLELY to attack a fellow poster.

Anyhoo, it is interesting to discuss the bigger picture out there going on in network TV, etc. As this is not an OLTL tribute thread.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I read what Toups wrote and I have no problem with that.. I stand by what I said.The ratings are what they are.Whatever show is on top at any given time. Good for them. As for anyone attacking you, that has nothing to do with me.

I don't get the non-sequitur. No one thinks this is a OLTL tribute thread.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

What's interesting, and probably irrelevant in the grander scheme of this all, is that a lot of OLTL's viewer's surge is coming from Male viewers... if you look, they actually went up 54,000 male viewers last week while losing 60,000+ viewers overall. That means the show lost +110,000 female viewers overall but made up for the loss by gaining male viewers. They are also up 133,000 male viewers over last year (more than any other soap and about the same increase as GH, AMC, & Days combined). For years, I've noticed that OLTL has always been in last place (or close to it) with male viewers and always wondered why...

Just an interesting note.

Also, with over 500,000 male viewers watching OLTL (and with Y&R closer to 1 million) you would think that there must be some advertisers that would want to target these groups- not to generalize, but I find that most male viewers of soap operas tend to be gay- and this group have many of the same spending tendencies as women. In my experience anyway...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

BLESS YOU!

For trying to get this thread back on topic and back to analyzing the NUMBERS.

I think that's a great point that OLTL has been gaining in male viewers.

I don't know about the gay generalization though. My experience is those who take the time to post on message boards and are really engaged tend to be gay. But a lot of older male viewers don't post but watch. I know one male who is straight and ready to retire. They been watching ABC soaps for decades in his firehouse. It's often background noise unless there is a juicy story going on and then he laughs they are glued to their sets. He prefers AMC to OLTL though. He's a big Erica fan. That's my anecdotal evidence.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I would agree that the vast majority of males are older (regardless of orientation). If you look at CBS' ratings (and shows like ATWT), they tended to have lower HH ratings but MORE viewers. The obvious interpretation is that older couples tended to watch together - like my parents. The Pharma companies know this, that's why they targeted soaps. These viewers do not watch The Talk or the upcoming shows on ABC. One other point, as CBS started dropping shows, the show that preceded showed a drop. I'm convinced that B&B has suffered ever since ATWT was gone. Remember in more than 50% of the country, it follows news, not Y&R. ATWT had a following and B&B definitely gained from early tune in or when people want to watch a block of soaps together. GL a little less impact since it had that split airing between morning and afternoon. Anyway, the real culprits are the companies that produce them P&G wanted out and so did ABC. (It was clear when ABC announced that SoapNet would flip to Disney Kids a couple of years ago, that they were going to cancel some shows because that was what made them somewhat profitable.) It's so frustrating to see when viewers get what they want, they come back. I'm glad OLTL is having this surge. I hope they keep it up to the end.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Male viewers are key for HH rating. I remember the drop when male viewers stopped watching ATWT. The show always did well when they came in at 4th place in the male demo but that was over for the final two years.

Oddly, both OLTL and ATWT lost male viewers while doing gay storylines. The whole 'majority of male soap fans are gay' stuff is myth and sterotype. Str8 men have always watched soaps. I know they called OLTL the 'thinking man's soap' in the 1970s. Certainly a lot of gay guys like soaps; however, manyhetro night workers and retired men tune in. Most of the str8 guys do avoid posting on SON, tho ;)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

BTW - Expect to see drops in overall viewers and demos. Nielsen did a major readjustment of markets - several big markets lost 100,000+ HH, including NY, LA and Atlanta, and what each rating point is worth. I'm sure some of it was related to census. There are 5 million fewer viewers in Nielsen's universe now. Last year W 18-49 a rating point was worth 659,700 viewers, now it's 640,000. So don't be surprised when ratings are released next week. Remember Labor Day will delay.) You can see full details at tvbythenumbers.com. (I can proudly say that I alerted them to the market changes, which were quite stunning that Nielsen was off by so much.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • Thanks @Paul Raven  That Grainger story always reads like hog-wild melodrama, not very similar to the more subtle stories for Rita in her last few years. I wonder how Lenore played the material.
    • More from 1976 Lynn, apparently making every effort to overcome her alcoholism, accepts a baby-sitting job. However, when the baby starts crying, Lynn begins to get nervous and takes one drink, then another. By the time Bruce and Van arrive home, Lynn is on the floor, ineffectually trying to find the doctor’s number, sure the baby is ill. When the mother arrives; she vows to let everyone know what goes on in the mayor’s house.Bruce insists that Lynn has to go, but Van, learning that Lynn can’t remember drinking the cooking sherry, calls Joe to report Lynn’s blackouts. Joe wants her institutionalized but gives in to Van’ s pleas that Lynn needs loving attention. Eddie has sent some of Felicia’s work to a New |York gallery owner and reports to Charles that Lisa Cooper wants to exhibit Felicia’s work. Charles refuses to tell her this and later admits he feels he has “cowed”her attention because of his being confined to a wheelchair. What Charles doesn’t say is: that he’s plagued with fears she’ll leave him for another man. Felicia is exuberant as she starts painting again. She tells Charles how she feels about it, but, jealous of anyone or anything that takes attention from him, Charles tries to undermine her confidence. Eddie finally professes his love for her. He will be happy to step forward if she will only let Be and admit that they belong together. Charles tries to stop Felicia’s ‘trip to New York by making her doubt her own work, and when that fails, he finds business reasons at his bookshop to keep Di, his ex-wife, who is running it for him, from accompanying her. Felicia finally decides it’s not going to work and tells Eddie they might as well call it off. Instead, he arranges for Lisa Cooper to come to Rosehill. Charles is rude and insulting to Lisa when she arrives at the house to view Felicia’s work, and his derogatory remarks about shady gallery dealings prompt Lisa to tell Eddie that living in such an atmosphere could permanently stunt an artist’s development; if Felicia is subjected to this indefinitely, it’s not even worth Lisa’s while to take her on as a client. Felicia finally decides she can’t be torn apart any longer and must accede to Charles’s demands. She tells Eddie her career is over and she won’t paint any more, breaks down in his arms, crying bitterly, then pulls away, unwilling to acknowledge that her feelings for him are deeper than she dare face. Charles is delighted when she prepares to dispose of her art supplies, insisting everything will be fine once she has accepted that this part of her life is over. But she cannot do it. She promises him that he can set the limits and terms, but she must paint. Arlene discovers that her mother is planning to avoid the surgery she needs, and the accompanying medical bills, by leaving Rosehill and moving in with her sister Dorothy out west. Arlene manages to prevent this by calling her aunt and telling her the truth about Carrie’s condition. Dr. Tom Crawford has been footing the costs of Carrie’s presurgery tests, but Arlene knows that Carrie won’t like this. So she tells Carrie that David Hart, the son of Meg’s late husband, the former mayor, has heard about their plight and forwarded the money as a gesture of friendship, to be repaid when possible. To convince Carrie that she does indeed have the money, Arlene asks Ray to just lend it to her for a few hours, so she can convince Carrie and then immediately return it. Ray instructs her to get dressed for a night on the town and takes her, out implying that the money will be waiting at the end of the evening. When Ian Russell happens to join them, Arlene doesn’t suspect anything is afoot, but when e Ray suddenly leaves, she becomes furious, realizing what he’s done. But she finds Mr: Russell a distinguished and cultured man, and decides there’s no harm in having a drink. After cocktails and stimulating conversation, Ian suggests that they go to his place, and Arlene agrees. But when they get there, Ian matter of factly suggests that they skip the preliminaries and get on with it. Ian is embarrassed and annoyed to discover that Arlene is not a professional call girl and that Ray didn’t explain to her the purpose of their |meeting. He is apologetic and solicitous, until Arlene, explaining why Ray felt he could pull this on her, mentions her sick mother in need of an operation. Ian starts to laugh at this overworked standard line, and a livid Arlene storms out of his apartment. Thinking it over, Ian decides he’s more intrigued with Arlene than he is annoyed at Ray, and calls Ray for her telephone number. But Arlene is not delighted to hear from him, and he has to use a good deal of soothing charm before she agrees to have dinner with him at one of the better local restaurants.During dinner Ian again apologizes for his mistake, and he gives Arlene a diamond pendant as a token of his gratitude for her forgiving him. Ray arrives to interrupt an otherwise enjoyable evening with a business matter, and quietly reminds Arlene that Ian is his customer and she’s not to cut herself in with him. At home, Arlene examines the pendant and is convinced that it’s genuine. She hides it in her dresser drawer, unable to bring herself to show it to her mother.
    • LOL!! That's funny.  I actually thought he got a little better.

      Please register in order to view this content

    • Oh God, she's back? I thought those first scenes were well-intentioned but hysterical.
    • More Guiding Light 1976 At dinner the next evening, Grainger tells Rita he still can’t understand why she inherited from his father and he’s hired a lawyer to help him discover what her role was in his father’s death. Telling her he knows she lied to him, he again warns that he will destroy her reputation in this town. As Rita insists she’s done nothing wrong, Grainger, growing even more angry, lashes out, “Ill see you charged with m—”. Suddenly he clutches his head and collapses to the floor. As people rush to help him, Rita quickly slips out of the restaurant. Grainger is rushed to Cedars and treated for stroke. Rita is even more frightened and upset when it appears that he’s going to recover under the excellent treatment and care of Ed, who is assigned as his attending physician, and Peggy, who is a fine specialty nurse. Rita, drawn by an unseen force to his door, is further shaken when Peggy, seeing her, presses her into temporarily spelling her so she can take a short break. Ed is determined to come to Rita’s aid, as she did his, and brings a big steak for dinner to her apartment. But Rita is too unnerved and shaky to even be with Ed, and disappoints him by asking him to leave before dinner, explaining that she’s extremely tired. Ed knows it’s more than that, and is doubly determined to help her out of this depression, but when she starts to cry, he leaves her, as she wishes. Roger, remembering how Grainger fired him from the oil fields for- being a friend of Rita’s, is disappointed to learn that Grainger has come out of his coma and that Ed feels Grainger’s paralysis and inability to talk may just be temporary. Rita is pressed to assist Tim with a spinal tap on Grainger, and is frightened when her presence causes Malcolm’s pulse rate to rise rapidly. His doctors are unable to understand his rapid pulse changes. Rita tells Roger why Grainger is so hateful toward her. While she was his father’s special nurse, Malcolm made physical advances toward her and she fought him off. His father noticed her bruises~and instantly guessed his son had manhandled her. The old man then swore to her he’d never forgive Malcolm for this cruelty. Roger again warns Rita that nobody is to know about his connection with her and with the Graingers. He fears that if Peggy learns about it, she will leave him.  Ed continues to press his concern and support on Rita, and while it helps to a certain degree and she’s grateful, Rita can’t bring herself to tell him what the source of her worry is. Each day, as Grainger rallies a bit more, her fear and tension increase. Finally, Grainger is able to barely murmur, “Lie... father ... Rita,” to Peggy and manages to crudely letter “RITA S” on a pad of paper. Peggy, assuming that Rita has somehow managed to get Grainger to respond, summons her to the hospital in the hope that she can further stimulate him and thus hasten his recovery. But a major catastrophe, a train derailment, - has immobilized the entire area, and Cedars, as well as all local hospitals, is being overrun with patients. Even though she’s off duty, having served her full shift, Rita is pressed into distributing the patients’ medication. Peggy, explaining that Grainger has already had an accidental delay of medication, which could have caused a major setback, must receive his dosage exactly on schedule. The sight of Rita again agitates Grainger, but she finishes her extra duty and returns home, drained and oversensitive as well as exhausted. When the regular nurse does her usual check, she finds Grainger lying over the side of his bed, unconscious. She issues a “Code Blue” call for the emergency team, and Steve, there almost immediately, starts resuscitation and then gives adrenalin, right into the heart, but Grainger is dead. As soon as he hears, Ed rushes to Cedars in amazement. This is all impossible to him, as he saw Grainger’s recovery as a certainty. He immediately institutes an investigation to determine the cause of death. Roger, told by Peggy what has happened, notifies a stunned Rita just before Ed arrives to question her about everything she can remember about the last time she was in Grainger’s room. Rita, unable to understand what’s happening around her, breaks down in tears, crying that she could be responsible for his death. Ed comforts her, assuring her that he’s not blaming her, just trying to find out what happened.    
    • Carly, considering Robin's daughter as a possible daughter-in-law .... I think the technical term for it would be "plotz"! Or to put it another way, the top of her head would explode!  

      Please register in order to view this content

    • What AW stories do you think of as DOOLish? I mean AW, in a very positive way was KNOWN for its comedic elements. From Iris's maid, Vivian, to the naming of plants, to highjinks with Cass, Felicia, Wally & even Lily, plus remember Dee Evans & Tony the Tuna? In a way at one time DAYS had similar with Caliope & Eugene. 
    • Were those reasons to do with having younger children on set? Other shows seem to manage. The ageing up of the kids has been one of the mistakes the show has made.
    • I agree.  Lemay was supposed to start in early 88 and we saw some of the writing on the wall with character reference from the past.  Notably, the core families Frames, Cory, Matthews.  The stupid Reginald Love was wrapped up.  Not even a year later Mary was written out of the show along with Vince and the McKinnons who came and left .  The previous writers tried to introduce a new family that never aspired with the viewers.  1988 was focused on the 25th anniversary of show in 1989 and suspect why Lemay was asked to come back in 88.  Prior to 1988, the storylines were so DOOL stupid.
    • That's true. He may have ended up keeping her on a recurring basis, like Dr. Michaels on ATWT. I'm trying to remember if GL had a similar long-running therapist.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy