Wait, are you guys [!@#$%^&*] around or is Aubrey actually Katrina Karr's daughter, like legit? If so, we need to locate Khan and send EMTs to his place of residence.

It wasn't confirmed but it seems likely since her name is Christine (or Kristine) Karr

CarlD2, I actually appreciate your honest hatred vs others who fake objectivity

But I've been online since 1997 and heard the Blair fans say the EXACT same thing over every writing regime from 1997 until Malone returned. Then I heard promises he'd "fix" Blair because he LIKES to write for her. But she was written stupid with Walker/Todd, given the absurd bahdra diamond FLOP and the offensive maxi-pad tumor story. The Blair fans then complained about Malone too.

Then came Higley and the "persecution" complaints about her not liking Blair.

And now for 3 years I've heard RC hates Blair.

When exactly was the LAST time you feel a regime LIKED to write for Blair? 1996? Don't you think it's long overdue to ask WHY it's been over a decade?

I wasn't watching for most of Higley or Malone II so I can't say how they wrote for her. Before then, I don't remember feeling that - as much as I hated those years - that JFP's era gave Blair any worse material than many others got (there was that trash with Max and then Max/Skye but unfortunately that was pretty much par for the course in that era) and I don't think Tomlin did all that badly by Blair.

For me the two worst eras, and by worst I often mean hideously awful, were Labine and RC. RC was hired during the Labine era, or close, so he may share some of her views. Moments like Blair as a quasi-racist, Blair being painted as a bitch for being angry that her cousin killed her late term child and put her in the hospital with multiple strokes, Blair as a pathetic old woman who can only find happiness through a cat, Todd fantasizing about Tea while stuck with Blair, Blair having very little relationship with her kids or Dorian, Blair bleeding to death on the floor as Todd ignores her, and so on.

Edited August 19, 201114 yr by CarlD2

LOL...someone just grabbed Nat's ass. She should just be glad they didnt grab her two bigger girls

He said Christine. Jenny named her Mary. Its possible Katrina gave her child, her own name once she got her back and left town.

LOVE Jack still standing by TSJTodd despite Scarface being the real Todd. Now Dani accepts him....right on!

It makes sense because isn't Christina what Katrina had named her baby girl. Mary is what Jenny named her daughter, but that baby died. Once Katrina got her baby back why wouldn't she give her her real name. If this is where the show is going with it I think it's great. I loved Jenny and never bought that stupid story of her dying in an avalanche while skiing.Brynn Thayer is a wonderful actress who's character had many ties to Llanview and who was a dear of Viki's.

The real question is why is it "real" unfair writing when it's Tea having bad luck in story, but only the character's problem when it's Blair?

I don't think RC or Malone or a number of others hated Blair. I think some of them quite like Blair, including now (though Higley sure hated her). I just think there were a number of regimes that thought the character could handle virtually any kind of treatment in the name of a story while they busied themselves writing about things they were more interested in.

And while I am only somewhat objective, TeamEric, as I stated yesterday (and you did not reply to - still waiting to hear where my "hatred" for Tea is legend) I am not what you describe - unlike you, I just don't see everything through the cracked glasses of a 15-year fanbase war that I have never had any time for or interest in. I can enjoy characters even while critiquing their behavior and seeing two sides of a story.

As for Aubrey/Christina, yes, it is random but it doesn't hurt anyone. I kind of like that reach waaay back to the days of the Woleks.

Edited August 19, 201114 yr by Vee

I don't think RC or Malone or a number of others hated Blair. I think some of them quite like Blair, including now (though Higley sure hated her). I just think there were a number of regimes that thought the character could handle virtually any kind of treatment in the name of a story while they busied themselves writing about things they were more interested in.

That's a big part of it, too. Blair moving the plot along. It's more the material she had for most of 2009 that seemed very hostile to me. But then I guess that's something that's been rehashed a million times now.

Would anyone who doesn't want to see this thread clogged up be interested in me posting any Katrina clips in the Videobash thread?

I was talking about how their relationship was written after what happened to Gigi. I remember people commenting on how Jack was afraid of Todd and it seemed dangerous, etc. Now they're back to what they did a few months after the rapemance where Jack just automatically worshiped TSJ Todd no matter what.

Ok, thanks for clarification.

I didn't see Jack act afraid of Todd but more sullen about working at The Sun and his dad not taking any grief from him. Jack was surprised his dad would yell at him but Todd explained in a touching scene, I am not going to let you screw up your life as I did.

Sure, go for it. I like that they're reaching back to the original baby switch, which from what I have seen was very well done over a period of years. Sure, Aubrey/Christine/Mary is fairly inconsequential today, but it adds something to the overall historical texture of Llanview to do this.

Bc they arent focusing on the camp and ridiculous sci fi aspect of the retocn. Today is classic soap

Exactly.

The silly compound raid and the prepesterous Irene flashback reveal scenes where horribly panned EVERYWHERE.

Yesterday's KA/RH scenes and today's emotional TSJ/FL/AT/KA/KM scenes are getting tons of praise b/c it's classic family confrontations and bonding soap scenes.

It makes sense because isn't Christina what Katrina had named her baby girl. Mary is what Jenny named her daughter, but that baby died. Once Katrina got her baby back why wouldn't she give her her real name. If this is where the show is going with it I think it's great. I loved Jenny and never bought that stupid story of her dying in an avalanche while skiing.Brynn Thayer is a wonderful actress who's character had many ties to Llanview and who was a dear of Viki's.

They killed off Jenny at Brynn's personal request because she did not want to draw attention away from Michael Zazlow and his battle with ALS when he came back to OLTL.

They killed off Jenny at Brynn's personal request because she did not want to draw attention away from Michael Zazlow and his battle with ALS when he came back to OLTL.

Honestly, that could easily be ignored/retconned

Before then, I don't remember feeling that - as much as I hated those years - that JFP's era gave Blair any worse material than many others got (there was that trash with Max and then Max/Skye but unfortunately that was pretty much par for the course in that era) and I don't think Tomlin did all that badly by Blair.

For me the two worst eras, and by worst I often mean hideously awful, were Labine and RC. RC was hired during the Labine era, or close, so he may share some of her views. Moments like Blair as a quasi-racist, Blair being painted as a bitch for being angry that her cousin killed her late term child and put her in the hospital with multiple strokes, Blair as a pathetic old woman who can only find happiness through a cat, Todd fantasizing about Tea while stuck with Blair, Blair having very little relationship with her kids or Dorian, Blair bleeding to death on the floor as Todd ignores her, and so on.

The JFP years - I was online and read endless rants including from JDP himself on AOL that unless you were a FOJ (Friend of Jills) you got shafted and RC was a notorious pet of hers so Blair wasn't getting written for, Skye was. I felt some of that was valid, btw. Blair was humiliated repeatedly by Skye/Max.

As for RC's years, you mentioned Todd fantasizing about Tea while with Blair yet that was done in a far more humiliating way to Tea on the island and Blair fans cheered. So I can't take that complaint seriously now because it's hypocritical to me.

As for Tomlin, no question he adored Blair. He announced it as he decimated Téa to prop up her up. Yet I read endless rants about how he wrote Blair OUT OF CHARACTER as Todd's perpetual victim.

Since 1997, I've never read a Blair fan ever voice a WRITER wanted to write for her. Not even Malone II's run thus my question. Thanks for the answer, seriously!

Yeah, Jenny was killed at BT's request, but she said then that they could easily bring Jenny back, and she's right. I would kill to see a mini-Wolek reunion on the show at the end of the network run: Karen, Jenny, Larry and maybe Wanda. You can use them to usher in new Woleks.

If Christine and Cutter have been scamming people for years and making tons of money, why are they dead broke?

You and me both. Im absolutely savoring these scenes. Definetly a keeper

They actually referenced that.....she mentioned that Cutter was good about getting money but not at holding onto it.

Honestly, that could easily be ignored/retconned

Oh I totally agree....I was just stating why they "killed" off the character in the first place.

I have wanted for a long time now to see something used to bring back characters like Jenny or Gabrielle. It wouldn't even be that hard with Jenny. I wanted one last adventure, with people like Bo, Viki, going to save her.

The JFP years - I was online and read endless rants including from JDP himself on AOL that unless you were a FOJ (Friend of Jills) you got shafted and RC was a notorious pet of hers so Blair wasn't getting written for, Skye was. I felt some of that was valid, btw. Blair was humiliated repeatedly by Skye/Max.

The problem with the JFP years is that pretty much everyone was so horribly written that I couldn't tell who was or wasn't a favorite. HBS even asked the show to kill Nora off.

The problem with the JFP years is that pretty much everyone was so horribly written that I couldn't tell who was or wasn't a favorite. HBS even asked the show to kill Nora off.

She did? Too bad no one listened to her