Um, so we have that ever lengthy thread on classic Y&R articles and discussion, I was wondering if we could do one for B&B? I mean the whole show is a hot mess and has been well at least since 2007/2008 and unwatchable but I'd like to think back to when I loved the show 1991ish-2006. A lot of stories liked and/or remember well have now been long forgotten like Ivana's murder and the mystery around it, Macy vs. Karen, Connor(someone mentioned him recently!) Dylan and Michael, CJ/Becky, Sly, Grant. Hell Macy was my favorite character right after Sally of course.

Edited June 27, 201114 yr by soapfan770

Just let's not forget about Morgan, please she was supposed to be New Sheila, afterall

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

Just let's not forget about Morgan, please she was supposed to be New Sheila, afterall

Nah, she was great, but I haven't forgiven her for not actually killing Steffy and sparing us the last decade! 🤣😜 At least Sheila followed through on many an occasion. Hopefully she does this time around!

6 hours ago, Videnbas said:

That's a tough one, especially if "best" means "objectively" most interesting, most complex, most well developed, best written, and so on, rather than just our personal favorites. Also, there are several very good characters who have been ruined by out of character writing (in that case, I prefer to remember them as they were when they were at their peak). But I'll give it a try.

1) Stephanie, and it isn't even close. This one pretty much goes without saying. She is everything. She has a whole universe of different thoughts and emotions inside her and she lights up every scene she is in, in a "can't take your eyes off her" kind of way. (However, I have to admit that even Stephanie's character was pulled a bit out of character at the end, when she lost her subtlety and became "Gangsta Grandma").

2) Sally. Just as indisputably #2 as Stephanie is #1. Completely unforgettable, original, and a scene-stealer. She could easily have become a joke, but this was successfully averted by giving Sally a warm and soft heart underneath the tough surface, and by mixing her comedy with elements of tragedy. And she stayed in character no matter what, for almost two decades.

This is where there is a huge distance to #3, and it gets really difficult...

3) Although I don't really like the character, I'm going to have to go with Brooke (not anymore, but as she was originally written). Original Brooke actually had a lot of subtlety and dimensions, and she truly came to life through her rivalry with Stephanie. I'd say she earned this place as long as there were many dimensions to her and she wasn't just used to create scandal. After all, the show wouldn't have been B&B without her.

4) Sheila (as written 1992-1998). The show did a good job creating a truly frightening character who still had something in her that made you almost feel sorry for her. And she was intelligent and witty.

Now it gets even tougher because I try not to play favorites and un-favorites with the characters I personally like or don't like.

5) Macy. I feel this character took a while to fully develop, but once she did, she was very dynamic because she could believably cover the entire spectrum from being on top of the world to hitting rock bottom, and was equally human and relatable at both ends (whether she was performing in a stadium in front of 10000 people, or lying passed out in an alley in a pile of garbage). She also had this warmth about her, and she brought out that quality in other characters as well.

6) Caroline. She had a wonderful story arc where she really came of age before our eyes, had all of her illusions broken, picked up the pieces, moved on, built a new worldview, triumphed, was forced to face her mortality, and finally came to terms with it before her untimely death. And she was quite complex in that she had a lot of subconscious desires that went against her image of herself as a "good girl".

7) Bill Spencer Sr. The original "powerful man" on B&B, and a more commanding presence than any of his successors. Also a man of many faces - overprotective father, upstanding moral citizen, publisher of seedy magazines, respectable husband with not so respectable desires...

😎 Taylor (that's supposed to be a number 8 but the computer won't let me!) I found Taylor hard to place but her significance on the show means she has to be up there somewhere. It's hard to describe her character in the early years because there was always this cool analytical distance about her - and maybe that was exactly her strength in a show filled with characters controlled by their emotions.

9) Ridge (as played by RM). He is a one-note character for sure, but what an entertaining note! His arrogance and boyish charm make him the archetypal Don Juan and a believable object of all those women's desire. B&B wouldn't have been the same without him.

10) Eric. Not as colorful as many others on the list, but he has nevertheless been a stabilizing factor through the years as the founder of Forrester Creations and the father of six other characters who have played a major part on the show.

Honorable mentions: Margo, Clarke, Thorne, Darla, Saul, Bridget, Aly, Amber (and I never even liked Amber)... oh, and Deacon. Deacon almost made my list.

1. Stephanie 

2. Sally

3. brooke

4. sheila

5. Caroline Sr

6. Ridge 

7. Macy

8. Taylor

9. Eric 

10. Bill Jr

Honorable mentions: Bridget, Thorne, Steffy, Amber, Maya, Clarke, Deacon, 

Edited November 18, 20214 yr by Sasha66

So remember when Bradley bell said Hope was the new Taylor and Steffy was the new Brooke? Am I the only one who thinks Hope was more similar to Caroline Sr? They both had that coming of age arc. Though Caroline was written better. 

22 hours ago, Videnbas said:

I have a question for all of you who are rewatching old episodes after several decades:

Are there any characters that you see completely differently this time around, compared to the first time you watched these episodes? 

For me, the big one is Stephanie. I used to think that she was the villain to Brooke's young heroine. Now I find myself understanding Stephanie's point of view and siding with her against Brooke, and this time around I see Stephanie as the misunderstood flawed heroine, fighting every way she can to keep her family together. Meanwhile, young Brooke is clearly a pretty self-centered girl with little understanding for what love really is beyond the fantasy of it.

But I also see Eric and Ridge as a lot more flawed now than I remember. 

I was stunned to see how flawed Eric and Ridge were from day one. It actually made me like both characters more, although I do think they have more depth and motivation for their actions in these 1987 episodes. Stephanie is another big shock to me. In the beginning the cast has a lot of green actors and some duds and Susan Flannery elevates every scene and often goes beyond the page. I feel like her casting is critical to the show working. Stephanie is also easier to understand now seeing her backstory. You get the sense that other peoples actions truly did drive her to becoming as assertive as she became.

The one character I find I like LESS is Brooke. I was under the impression she met Ridge randomly. I didn't know she went out of her way to befriend Caroline and try to steal Ridge away from her. I just got to Caroline's rape and it's just unfathomable to me that she is the best friend who came to support her during this low point in her life and later she'll go on to steal her man. 

13 hours ago, BoldKara said:

Nah, she was great, but I haven't forgiven her for not actually killing Steffy and sparing us the last decade! 🤣😜 At least Sheila followed through on many an occasion. Hopefully she does this time around!

I don't know about Steffy but someone should've defenitely killed Liam and Hope long time ago and spare us decade cause they are the most boring ones af all time 😆

Have dropped better versions of the following episodes into the Vault. These are direct rips, no screen recordings:

1992-09-29 Ep# 1384 [10play full edit - Sheila vs Lauren] (other offerings of this episode in the Vault are lesser in quality)

1997-10-29 Ep# 2661 [10play full edit - Lake Como Fashion Show] (Original music tracks, longer runtime than the 2020 CBS broadcast replay)

1999-08-03 Ep# 3103 [10play full edit - Brooke vs Stephanie] (uncut original edit. The 2020 CBS edit in the Vault has a shorter runtime, the other offering is bad quality)

Can someone delete the lesser quality duplicates of these 3 episodes?

If someone could please help grab the Brooke's Bedroom episode from 10play that would be very much appreciated. This edit has the original music tracks - including Dionne Warwick on the closing credits. The episode is due to expire/disappear from 10play in the next few months. I have tried to rip but it fails. Hoping someone has better luck. Vault folder December 1998. 10play link: https://10play.com.au/the-bold-and-the-beautiful-fast-tracked/episodes/season-2020/best-fashion-shows-brookes-bedroom-fashion-show/tpv200428fwupn

🙏

 

Edited November 18, 20214 yr by AusBoldFan

2 hours ago, AusBoldFan said:

Have dropped better versions of the following episodes into the Vault. These are direct rips, no screen recordings:

1992-09-29 Ep# 1384 [10play full edit - Sheila vs Lauren] (other offerings of this episode in the Vault are lesser in quality)

1997-10-29 Ep# 2661 [10play full edit - Lake Como Fashion Show] (Original music tracks, longer runtime than the 2020 CBS broadcast replay)

1999-08-03 Ep# 3103 [10play full edit - Brooke vs Stephanie] (uncut original edit. The 2020 CBS edit in the Vault has a shorter runtime, the other offering is bad quality)

Can someone delete the lesser quality duplicates of these 3 episodes?

If someone could please help grab the Brooke's Bedroom episode from 10play that would be very much appreciated. This edit has the original music tracks - including Dionne Warwick on the closing credits. The episode is due to expire/disappear from 10play in the next few months. I have tried to rip but it fails. Hoping someone has better luck. Vault folder December 1998. 10play link: https://10play.com.au/the-bold-and-the-beautiful-fast-tracked/episodes/season-2020/best-fashion-shows-brookes-bedroom-fashion-show/tpv200428fwupn

🙏

 

Hi! Thank you for these. The Bedroom episode is uploaded few days ago by yours truly. It´s not a web ripe but from B&B Official DVD Set and it has the original music as well. 

I have the best shoking moments DVD somewhere. If you tell me a program i can use to copy the episodes and upload them.

 

Edited November 18, 20214 yr by Marquise

4 hours ago, Marquise said:

I have the best shoking moments DVD somewhere. If you tell me a program i can use to copy the episodes and upload them.

 

Oh Wow!! I wish I knew a program.

11 hours ago, Pedro said:

I don't know about Steffy but someone should've defenitely killed Liam and Hope long time ago and spare us decade cause they are the most boring ones af all time 😆

I'm definitely with you on Liam. He needs to die gruesomely. I really like Hope. Liam stifles her.

Ever since her virginity issues she is unbearable. Even when she was with Oliver she was horrible. I like Steffy but I am TeamTaylor so would like everything about her 😅

So from what you all analyzed who do you all think we’re bill bells favorites? I think Caroline, Stephanie Ridge and Taylor. 

Coming on Monday:

 

5 hours ago, Sasha66 said:

So from what you all analyzed who do you all think we’re bill bells favorites? I think Caroline, Stephanie Ridge and Taylor. 

I don't think Bill Bell played favorites. I think he really made an effort to develop all his characters. If there is any one character who emerges as more central than the others, I'd say Stephanie.