I think if the story was better when they started toying with the switch, it would've worked. Viewers would still be frustrated, but at least you have good stories to watch while they iron out the kinks. I remember when promoting the first official episode with the new model, I tuned in and I don't recall ANY story. Nothing happened. It was just bizarre shot after bizarre shot. It went on like that for MONTHS with nothing happening. I also think BAD SET DESIGN is a huge factor. From the moment Ellen Wheeler took over she made bad choices in terms of EVERY department. The lighting, set design, wardrobe, sound, etc. was always bad under her reign.

She was just a total nightmare.

When is the book suppose to come out?

I didn't watch that much during Wheeler's first years but I didn't think the show looked that awful compared to what it had been...although I hate that they got rid of some longstanding sets. I will probably always blame Conboy's budget-busting for much of the decline in wardrobe and sets (and I hated a lot of the clothes the women wore with Rauch and Conboy anyway, so that was money badly spent).

In SOD, it says it's supposed to be published "this month", probably meaning July.

I don't think it's Zimmer---she's already said a lot of this stuff in previous interviews. And she's got nothing to fear from letting the chips fall. My bet is Crystal Chappell.

While Wheeler's vision and execution were both disgraceful, my own opinion is that GL's production values from late-2005 (following a massive budget cut) to February 2008 weren't much better. During that time, GL had just a small handful of (cheap-looking) indoor sets, and it seemed as if every other scene took place at Company. Therefore, I concur with a previous poster's opinion that GL should have been cancelled in 2005.

Even though fans of AMC & OLTL are so outraged right now, such fans (along with ATWT fans) seem to forget a very important point: by cancelling these shows now, they can still go out with dignity.......

IMO, ATWT went out with dignity. It was EXCELLENT in 2009 and 2010, far better than it had been since mid-2006. It wasn't perfect by any means (Juicy Janet, Katie propping- and I like her -) but they most certainly went out with dignity. IMO, ATWT was hands down the Best Soap of 2010 and probably 2009 as well (the resurgence started in the spring of that year). They were MILES ahead of the highest rated soap on the air, Y&R, and its sister soap B&B. The last episode of ATWT was better than the last episode of any soap I've seen in recent years (AW, SUN, Santa Barbara) and almost on par with the SFT finale in 1986.

........Even though fans of AMC & OLTL are so outraged right now, such fans (along with ATWT fans) seem to forget a very important point: by cancelling these shows now, they can still go out with dignity. There is no doubt that AMC, OLTL, and ATWT all have/had a couple of extra years left in them; however, keeping those soaps around for that additional amount of time would have required a massive amount of budget cuts (to the point where these shows would have been unrecognizable). In my opinion, it is so much better for a show to end three or four years too early than three or four years too late.

I feel for the AMC fans the most. I stopped watching regularly in 2005, after Edmund's death and before Brooke was entirely gone (they maybe used her a handful of times after Edmund died). But when I have tuned in since, the show has largely been a mess, with very few bright spots. The first problem was that Frons flat out REFUSED to do anything about Julie Hanan Carruthers. Instead the writers constantly took the blame. Yes, the writing was atrocious, but a solid EP can at least up the production values and guide the ship. She should have taken the reins when it became clear that the writers were dropping the ball and collaborated with them on executing a single vision that would have made the show work. Like her or not, this is a department where JFP excels, not that she'd ever be right for AMC nor would I wish her on the fans of the show. But a solid EP can make all the difference sometimes.

Secondly, like I already mentioned, AMC went through a SLEW of God-Awful recycled hack headwriters including McTavish (her work post-July 2005 was dreadful), B&E, Pratt (the worst offender), and Kreitzman & Swajeski (stabilized the show but never achieved greatness- uneven at best). Hell, before then, things weren't so hot either, with Passanante being awful, and Rayfield/Cascio and Richard Culliton not being given enough time to execute any kind of vision they may have had.

Finally, AMC fans got THE best news in a LONG TIME two weeks before the show's cancellation- acclaimed former Head Writer Lorraine Broderick was returning to her post! Then they're slapped in the face again(!) with the reveal that she'd only get to write it into the end and only for the last 2 1/2 months. Such a shame, because her pen is what the show needed this entire time.

While I do believe she'll do a solid job tying things up, the previous regimes have made such a mess of the show that it's impossible for it to truly go out with dignity. It's going to be bittersweet at best, since the quality is likely to FINALLY get better and just when things are getting good, AMC will disappear from the airwaves completely.

OLTL, on the other hand, at least has had stability the last 4 or so years with Valentini as EP and Carlivati as Head Writer, both of whom have a long history with the show and were promoted from within. That show is going out with some sense of dignity intact.

In SOD, it says it's supposed to be published "this month", probably meaning July.

I don't think it's Zimmer---she's already said a lot of this stuff in previous interviews. And she's got nothing to fear from letting the chips fall. My bet is Crystal Chappell.

Interesting- Chappell is a pretty good guess, as she didn't even enter my mind. Then again, she seemed to benefit from Ellen's vision the most and doesn't she use the same basic production model for 'Venice'?

My money's still on Zimmer, given her close relationship with Hinsey and her notorious big mouth.

Edited June 29, 201114 yr by juniorz1

I think Zimmer would be very picky-choosy about what info she'd dish.... she's got her own book coming out after all!

I think GL stopped feeling like a real community in the latter half of 2004 when you could tell the set usage was diminishing but the show still had strong stories through the first half of 2005. When they started converting Beacon Hotel rooms into condos, that should've been a sign to wrap the show up. Oh, and the whole getting-rid-of-Jerry-ver-Dorn thing too.

Remember that one time they actually merged the two sets of Josh & Reva's house? They had the front doorway and staircase on the right side, but then the fireplace suddenly was in the middle of the room and then the back door was on the left side of the room. So bizarre! And Ellen Wheeler thinks we won't notice or care?

OLTL, on the other hand, at least has had stability the last 4 or so years with Valentini as EP and Carlivati as Head Writer, both of whom have a long history with the show and were promoted from within. That show is going out with some sense of dignity intact.

That's one way to put it...

I thought AW's finale was better than ATWT's, mostly because I felt it was somewhat true to AW's history. ATWT's was so very generic, which summed up Goutman's shame over ATWT's past. Prince of Tides music and obtrusive narration over all else.

Edited June 28, 201114 yr by CarlD2

That's one way to put it...

I thought AW's finale was better than ATWT's, mostly because I felt it was somewhat true to AW's history. ATWT's was so very generic, which summed up Goutman's shame over ATWT's past. Prince of Tides music and obtrusive narration over all else.

Yes, that's the right word for the last episode. It was so generic. It had no wow this is the end kind of feeling to it.

I loved the ATWT finale. I thought Bob narrating it was absolutely perfect.

Remind me...wasn't it Wheeler who started those dopey "Inside the Light" Wednesday episodes? Comic hero Harley will always live in infamy....

It's not so much that I mind Bob narrating, because I loved Bob, but it just seemed like it was all so boilerplate, random people saying goodbye. By the end of ATWT, the show no longer even remembered that Bob or Kim had any family beyond people who were already on the show. Even Frannie, who had returned earlier the same year, wasn't mentioned. Emma, who had left only a few months earlier, wasn't mentioned. It was strange. I no longer felt any connection to the show's history - which is what ATWT represented to me.

Wheeler started those episodes at GL, although I think they may have been more down to Kriezman and Swajeski, since they did a few at AMC last year.

I don't think the Inside the Light concept was a bad one, in theory. A few of the episodes really worked well. Generally, it was the ones that took place in sort of real time or kept the same general pace as a regular episode, just with focus on one story/character. The ones where they tried to speed through weeks or month of story in one episode (the worst example being the episode where Ross died, Ross was buried, and Blake finished grieving all in 42 minutes) were disastrous.

Same with the Peapack production model. The basic ideas were sound and certainly worth exploring in the changing daytime environment. The execution, however, was more often than not a total trainwreck.

As much as I can't stand C hris Goutman, I do think he kept ATWT "looking good" on a shoestring budget. The way GL and ATWT looked at the end were night-and-day different. Aside from the funerals and weddings with five people in attendence, ATWT never looked cheap.

But I have to totally disagree about the finale. Soap Opera Digest called it the worst soap finale ever, and I have to agree. Goutman wasn't ending a 54-year-old soap...he was just ending the stories of people currently on the canvas. Think of all the things he could have done during those last few months: reuniting all the Snyders over some near-fatal illness to Emma, having Katie swept off her feet by Simon, having Bob and Kim get a visit from Andy (who grew up on the show before our eyes), a ghostly visit from Rose (MB said she would have gladly come back for the end), a poignant final scene with Lisa, TVs first soap bitch (who got about two words in the finale...a disgrace), some heartfelt goodbyes in the finale, like Katie and Henry or Susan and Emily. And the next-to-last scene, with James Stenbeck sipping a drink on some tropical island, saying "I can't believe they think some twit like Audrey could have killed ME".

I loved ATWT and watched it since the mid-80. But the ending was just horrible.

As much as I can't stand C hris Goutman, I do think he kept ATWT "looking good" on a shoestring budget. The way GL and ATWT looked at the end were night-and-day different. Aside from the funerals and weddings with five people in attendence, ATWT never looked cheap.

But I have to totally disagree about the finale. Soap Opera Digest called it the worst soap finale ever, and I have to agree. Goutman wasn't ending a 54-year-old soap...he was just ending the stories of people currently on the canvas. Think of all the things he could have done during those last few months: reuniting all the Snyders over some near-fatal illness to Emma, having Katie swept off her feet by Simon, having Bob and Kim get a visit from Andy (who grew up on the show before our eyes), a ghostly visit from Rose (MB said she would have gladly come back for the end), a poignant final scene with Lisa, TVs first soap bitch (who got about two words in the finale...a disgrace), some heartfelt goodbyes in the finale, like Katie and Henry or Susan and Emily. And the next-to-last scene, with James Stenbeck sipping a drink on some tropical island, saying "I can't believe they think some twit like Audrey could have killed ME".

I loved ATWT and watched it since the mid-80. But the ending was just horrible.

I love your idea for the ATWT ending. That's what I had in mind too especially the James Stenbeck still being alive.

Wheeler started those episodes at GL, although I think they may have been more down to Kriezman and Swajeski, since they did a few at AMC last year.

Actually, I don't believe it was down to Kreizman and Swajeski....at least, not Kreizman anyway. I'm pretty sure the ITL episodes started when Ellen Weston was still head writer and Swajeski was co-head.

As much as I can't stand C hris Goutman, I do think he kept ATWT "looking good" on a shoestring budget. The way GL and ATWT looked at the end were night-and-day different. Aside from the funerals and weddings with five people in attendence, ATWT never looked cheap.

No DOUBT! Hell, Henry and Vienna got married at AL'S for Christ sakes! Vienna wouldn't be caught dead donning a wedding gown in a freaking diner! And then Henry & Barbara were married in the lobby of the Lakeview!

But I have to totally disagree about the finale. Soap Opera Digest called it the worst soap finale ever, and I have to agree. Goutman wasn't ending a 54-year-old soap...he was just ending the stories of people currently on the canvas. Think of all the things he could have done during those last few months: reuniting all the Snyders over some near-fatal illness to Emma, having Katie swept off her feet by Simon, having Bob and Kim get a visit from Andy (who grew up on the show before our eyes), a ghostly visit from Rose (MB said she would have gladly come back for the end), a poignant final scene with Lisa, TVs first soap bitch (who got about two words in the finale...a disgrace), some heartfelt goodbyes in the finale, like Katie and Henry or Susan and Emily. And the next-to-last scene, with James Stenbeck sipping a drink on some tropical island, saying "I can't believe they think some twit like Audrey could have killed ME".

I loved ATWT and watched it since the mid-80. But the ending was just horrible.

Well then I'd have to respectfully disagree, especially with the bolded statement. I have watched the finales of Search For Tomorrow, Santa Barbara, Another World, Sunset Beach, Guiding Light, and As The World Turns. Santa Barbara was BY FAR the worst soap finale I've ever seen. LITERALLY NOBODY returned- not 1 former actor, even ones who had recently left. The only long-running characters that got any closure were CC & Sophia and Mason & Julia. Hell, Mason & Julia were isolated from the ENTIRE episode (much like they were isolated from the other characters on the show in SB's final year). Most of the action took place at the wedding of Warren & BJ, Julia's NEPHEW, and they weren't even in attendance. Instead, they were at home, having sex, finding out who won the election for SB judge (Mason I think), finding out their adoption was approved and that Julia was actually pregnant also. They didn't even get to share the news with any other character. Ted had been married off to Lily, who he didn't love, and never reunited with Angela, who he did love. They were the only rooting couple in SB's final year and the show ended with them apart. Angela didn't even APPEAR in the finale! BJ had been on the show for all of 8 months- 8 MONTHS and the ENTIRE finale focused on HER wedding and HER happiness with Warren (a recast Jack Wagner). Nobody gave a SH!T about these people!

Augusta didn't come back. Cruz & Eden didn't make an appearance. No Santana, no ghostly appearance from Mary, no Cassandra, no Laken, no RealKelly, no Keith Timmons, no Brandon Capwell, NOBODY came back!

Hell, I was hoping for just a lousy phone call from Cruz or Eden telling their loved ones that Cruz had finally found her and they were living happily ever after. Rauch/Long didn't even give us that!

It was, BY FAR, the worst and most disappointing finale for one of the most sophisticated, witty, intelligent soap operas ever to hit the airwaves.

True, ATWT didn't have a ton of former characters come back, but at least we got appearances from Gwen, Will, Iris, Rosanna, and Frannie. The longtime vets, like Lucinda and Barbara, were given story again and drove story in the final months. Jack & Carly were reunited, as were Holden and Lily, and most characters (save Meg) were given a happy ending.

The last episode was sweet, sentimental, and cute without being hokey. I really enjoyed it and thought the quality of the show was very good in its final year, which is more than I can say for my beloved Santa Barbara.

Edited June 29, 201114 yr by juniorz1

Frannie did come back, but in April, not for the finale. I wish they could have asked Julianne, when she was there for her April appearance, to film just a short extra scene where she calls Bob on the phone to say she's thinking of him (as he was retiring from the hospital).

Don't get me wrong, I loved a lot of the Lucinda and Barbara material in the last year, and I do appreciate that dearly. I especially liked Barbara and Kim talking about Barbara's mother.

The last few months of ATWT felt very barren to me. Not only were there few returns, but longtime characters were not even mentioned. It was as if they never existed. It was like that Next Generation episode where people kept vanishing from the Enterprise and only Beverly Crusher remembered them. Nancy died and there was no mention of Don, Penny, Andy, Frannie, or Sabrina. I liked the episode, in spite of this, because there were some nice touches (mentions of Susan, and of Nancy being a teacher), but they ended the episode on Katie, in a weak performance by Terri Conn, talking about how hard this was for her. Poor Katie!

The Holden/Lily stuff was strange. I honestly don't think most fans had an interest in them reuniting with Noelle Beck in the role. I truly truly think they should have ended with Holden/Molly. Instead they half-heartedly hinted at a Lilden reunion.

I also disliked the music - I really disliked that, as I've bitched about many times. It drowned out the scenes and I had never heard this on ATWT before. I wonder if they paid out for that music and didn't have the money for returns.

Seeing Holden and Lily on that farm in some deleted scenes from the finale, with no mention of Emma, just made me feel sad. It was so empty.

The only scenes that I enjoyed were the goodbyes with Barbara/Henry, Jack/Carly, John, Lucinda, Kim, Bob, Susan, Susan and Emily seeing Allison off. Nothing for Lisa. That $3 glow in the dark globe got more airtime.

Edited June 29, 201114 yr by CarlD2