10 minutes ago, Tonksadora said:

Chillax! I wasn't challenging your impression of them. I remember my impressions of them at the time, dreamboats, etc. Both with such gorgeous eyes. I can't reconcile that with thinking they look older than they did, when I see them in video clips of 1966! It's a real head trip.

I am pretty relaxed. I didn't think you were challenging anything.  But the fact that Mickey was trying to romance a woman that had a 19 year old pregnant daughter doesn't make him look younger either.  JC does have nice eyes, but he never looked "young" .  I would honestly buy he was Alice's younger brother before one of her children.  Same with Bill.  But, again, I can't speak for the times because I wasn't alive and I can't make a correct assumption for the style in that era.  

14 minutes ago, jam6242 said:

They really didn't start casting soap actors based mainly on their looks until the early 70s.  Mickey (and John Clarke) is one of my favorites, but the only time I crushed on him a bit was when he had the long hair and beard when he met Maggie.

Rugged was probably a better overall look for him.   And I am not saying looks, perse, but actual age.  I don't think he was a bad looking guy.  Just a little older looking and didn't age great, so I think that didn't help his cause throughout the years.

Again, my perception of something I didn't see is only that and an opinion.  I am not sure if I think JC or EM's acting held up that well either.   The weird joke about Alice and the widower fell weirdly flat and it was clear JC flubbed his line as well in that episode.

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1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I am pretty relaxed. I didn't think you were challenging anything.

Great!

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

 Again, my perception of something I didn't see is only that and an opinion.  I am not sure if I think JC or EM's acting held up that well either.   The weird joke about Alice and the widower fell weirdly flat and it was clear JC flubbed his line as well in that episode.

Ed Mallory is one of my favorites from then. I thought he was very strong, as well as nuanced, has a great voice, and certainly played so many different emotions that were called for in Bill Horton, especially later on in Bill Bell's first rapemance.

1 minute ago, Tonksadora said:

Great!

Ed Mallory is one of my favorites from then. I thought he was very strong, as well as nuanced, has a great voice, and certainly played so many different emotions that were called for in Bill Horton, especially later on in Bill Bell's first rapemance.

I haven't seen enough of BM's work to make a full, accurate assessment, but you kinda have me hung up on rapemance..  I am just saying I can see the reasons these characters might have been backburnered or ignored.  Jed Allen, Bill Hayes, Quinn Redecker, etc weren't young either but seemed a bit younger.  Whether it was love interests or story-the Horton kids aged out into middle age very quickly.

10 hours ago, carolineg said:

I am not clear why Laura hates Julie so much at this point.  I know she's crazy, but I don't know what Julie's ever done to her lol.

I'm not clear about that either.  Was she jealous of Julie's beauty and youth?  Did she harbor a secret desire to be with Doug?  Did Julie remind her of her recently deceased mother?

Elizabeth Harrower seemed to be trying so hard to convince viewers that Laura was unstable that she got forgot that her motivations, however irrational they were, still needed to make some sense.

Perhaps, Laura had developed a sudden, irrational hatred of all the Hortons, borne out of her rape and being forced to conceal Michael's true paternity for years, and wrecking Julie's life was just one part of her overall agenda.

9 hours ago, jam6242 said:

Laura didn't hate Julie, she was just doing all kinds of crazy things, like putting toddler Jennifer on a bus by herself.  She was having visions of her dead mother talking to her too.

Still, I think the audience deserved a better explanation than "Well, she's nuts!".

Of course, I'm still not sure what was wrong with Laura, exactly, or why it took so long for her illness to manifest itself.  I mean, was she schizophrenic, or bipolar, or...what?

(By the way, I really hope Ron Carlivati isn't reading this thread.  You KNOW reading about Jennifer once being abandoned on a bus by her mentally ill mother is gonna lead him to create a split personality for Miss Chick-Fil-A.)

Let's add Addie and Tom Jr into the mix.Apart from Marie the rest of the Hortons were old before their time.

Tom and Alice were supposed to have married young,  By the time she was in her 50's , Alice had 30 years of wife and mother under her belt. She was also a grandmother. 

Raising all those kids she wouldn't be paying much attention to fashion and personal style.

Also at that time, women of a certain age adopted a look deemed appropriate for their age.

Also I guess they wanted Alice to look a little older when they were casting actors who weren't young enough to be her children IRL.

Actually, later on Alice  dressed much more fashionably as a woman in her 70's.

 

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8 hours ago, carolineg said:

So question to anyone that might know, is it normal for an episode to feature that lengthy of a flashback?  I loved it because I obviously hadn't seen it, but it took up a lot of the episode. 

I don't think it was normal mostly because it was costly to edit them in. I think most shows back then were still "live" as in being played out/filmed like live theatre even though they didn't air live. I think it wasn't until the 70s when video tape became the norm that flashbacks became more common.

This has been discussed elsewhere.

In Days case, as we know all the tapes were kept, whereas on the live shows they had to specify ahead of time if they wanted to retain a particular scene.

So days had access to all past episodes, the reason the flashback is lengthy I believe is that tape editing was not as advanced so they had to show the entire scene.

Why is she back?

10 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Perhaps, Laura had developed a sudden, irrational hatred of all the Hortons, borne out of her rape and being forced to conceal Michael's true paternity for years, and wrecking Julie's life was just one part of her overall agenda.

YES, THIS!! Finally a real explanation for why Laura went off the rails.

On 4/27/2022 at 9:41 PM, Khan said:

DAYS was in ratings trouble in '79, and I guess TPTB thought burning the [!@#$%^&*] out of their lead heroine would bring viewers back. ...

I read just the other day that, I kid you not, NBC was of the opinion (group mind think, I guess) that violence got them better ratings.

7 hours ago, te. said:

I don't think it was normal mostly because it was costly to edit them in. I think most shows back then were still "live" as in being played out/filmed like live theatre even though they didn't air live. I think it wasn't until the 70s when video tape became the norm that flashbacks became more common.

 

6 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

This has been discussed elsewhere.

In Days case, as we know all the tapes were kept, whereas on the live shows they had to specify ahead of time if they wanted to retain a particular scene.

So days had access to all past episodes, the reason the flashback is lengthy I believe is that tape editing was not as advanced so they had to show the entire scene.

Interesting.  Thanks!  I believe the first episode @victoria foxton uploaded had a long Julie/David flashback as well, so I wasn't sure if flashbacks were commonly done back then.  I thought maybe it was a way to fill time.

Eileen and Robert Mason Pollock were SHAMELESS in their use of flashbacks to pad out episodes of THE DOCTORS.

12 minutes ago, Khan said:

Eileen and Robert Mason Pollock were SHAMELESS in their use of flashbacks to pad out episodes of THE DOCTORS.

Better a long flashback then a 3 minute discussion on how to break a $10, like on AW 😂😂

24 minutes ago, Khan said:

Eileen and Robert Mason Pollock were SHAMELESS in their use of flashbacks to pad out episodes of THE DOCTORS.

Not gonna lie, I thought it was to pad out the episode on Days as well or give Tom a reason to be in the episode because MC had a ridiculous guarantee lol.

20 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Better a long flashback then a 3 minute discussion on how to break a $10, like on AW 😂😂

Wait...what?  I kinda want to see that lol

5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Wait...what?  I kinda want to see that lol

It must have happened during the time when AW was 90 minutes per day.  They were DESPERATE to fill time.

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