Im loving Marty vs. Natalie. Cant wait until Monday! I'll always be Team Natalie even though she can be annoying.

Im dreading Rex possibly being a Buchanan.

Edited October 31, 201015 yr by OLTL_fan

Oh wow, Robert S. Woods is a Republican. That's depressing...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hyYrBgIrigMJ:www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/robert-woods.asp%3Fcycle%3D08+robert+s.+woods+j.p.+morgan+chase+spokesperson&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1

So is the couple groovin' the night away in my avatar.

***Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Edited October 31, 201015 yr by SFK

Yeah, no, when I knock someone out with one punch, it's assault. Not that I personally have, I'm not Mr. T., but you get the idea.

It was assault which is why Tea brained him over a head with a shovel, tied him up and called the cops to press charges. It was never whitewashed like the offensive OOPS it was all a maxipad brain tumor BS Malone tried to peddle in 2004. Heck, Blair had MORE bruises on her than Tea did.

Either way, Todd's manhandled, thrown Blair down and abused her plenty as he's done ALL his women. As I stated it's in character.

And Rebecca wasn't thrown under the bus. Reiko Aylesworth left the show. I loved her, but that's what happened. They moved Todd on, no one got hurled.

Rebecca was stripped of her place as Todd's first love to prop up Blair. We had this debate before and we'll never agree.

I welcome a long-term, full-tilt marriage for Todd and Tea. It will prove what I've always suspected about them, which is that if they actually had nothing between them and no limits on the bedroom they would revert to tearing each other apart anyway. It's what they like about being with each other, the lies, the mindgames, the rough sex, everything just short of beating the [!@#$%^&*] out of each other. It's what they're good at. And in the right context it would be insanely watchable. Let Tea have the sociopath, by all means. It will be good TV.

TnT do enjoy playing challenging games with each other, that's the part that is true.

The rest is describing Todd & Blair not TnT, Vee. It's T&B who's every story is about lies followed by sadistic revenge schemes. They get their rocks on hurting each other. It's why their break ups are so darn disgusting, they take too much delight in causing the other pain.

TnT breakups are intense but they don't kick into revenge mode and come up with schemes to destroy the other person. They battle then forgive each other.

TnT's story is about bringing out the best and worst in each other. And they have had stories without any lies between them. I actually think Tea will have far more trouble adjusting to married life than Todd. Tea's too much of a control freak herself to bow down for long under Todd's controlling, dominating nature. She won't give up her career and she's picked clients that have angered him before, I suspect that's one story coming. The other will be battling of raising Danielle. Unlike the T&B fiasco with Starr, I suspect we see TnT deal with Dani/Nate far better.

Edited October 31, 201015 yr by TeamEric

Oh wow, Robert S. Woods is a Republican. That's depressing...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hyYrBgIrigMJ:www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/robert-woods.asp%3Fcycle%3D08+robert+s.+woods+j.p.+morgan+chase+spokesperson&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1

Scotty, are you really surprised? I'm not. At all.

Yeah, I've only seen Tea in hospital beds and on the run.

That's what I thought, and to her credit Flor's allowed herself to look like total crap for months with this fake cancer story.

Check out the bio pictures at ABC.COM to see what she really looks like:

http://abc.go.com/shows/one-life-to-live/photo-details/tea-101/491371

I actually thought she was a fairly new character and didn't know Todd and Tea had such a long history.

TnT were first married in 1997. Remarried for love Nov '98 then split up over his big faking DID lie. Roger Howarth's Todd left the show then and returned in Feb 2000 to escort Florencia off the show when she left too. Todd returned in summer of 2000 minus Tea who had left him. FL did a short return summer of 2002. She returned in Dec 2008 and has been in a story with Todd ever since.

Is Todd really that bad?

Oh yes. Todd's a convicted rapist, a psychopath and on his worst days can be crueler than most villains on soap.

From what I've seen, he seems deeply troubled but, deep down, a good guy. Also, the actor gives off a lot of sex appeal and seems to have a lot of passion.

Todd's dysfunctional on a good day, and anti-social on his worst. He was badly abused as a child and has a very long troubled history. His saving grace is in his own twisted way he loves more deeply than most characters on this show and all his relationships are unhealthy and twisted... which makes him fascinating character. The original Todd smoldered with dark passion, you could imagine him snapping and raping someone. This Todd oozes more charming in his sex appeal.

As for Tea's looks, I'm used to CBS soaps where the majority of characters have perfect hair and make up even at death's door. In general, CBS and ABC seem to have a different standard when it comes to beauty and style. This is mainly true with the male characters where the guys seem less muscled and waxed. On ATWT, the guys were either pretty like Aaron Snyder or plain like Michael Park.

I watched ATWT some and I recall Cady's Rosanne looking great in that coma, you're right, they do look perfectly coifed ;-)

However, I found Michael Park far more handsome than Aaron who had IMO odd looks.

It was assault which is why Tea brained him over a head with a shovel, tied him up and called the cops to press charges. It was never whitewashed like the offensive OOPS it was all a maxipad brain tumor BS Malone tried to peddle in 2004. Heck, Blair had MORE bruises on her than Tea did.

I'm not going to debate six-year-old stage makeup with you. In the final analysis one was consensual sex, the other was a punch in the face. And I think a Disney's Magic Kingdom wedding several months later qualifies as a whitewashing, but then everything about Todd and Tea's relationship since 2009 has been about whitewashing him and his second rape of Marty. In terms of physical abuse of Blair, no, it's few and far between. Off the top of my head I can only think of one incident that qualifies, and that was the infamous belt scene in 1994 or '95. And of course the character never reached those depths again, until he did over and over and over again after coming back in 1996, and every time it was more about emotional and mental torment, with a few notable exceptions. One being Marty's re-rape, and the other being Todd clobbering Tea in the face.

Rebecca was stripped of her place as Todd's first love to prop up Blair. We had this debate before and we'll never agree.

Reiko Aylesworth chose to leave the show and they got Todd another love interest. It's not a debate, it's a fact.

The rest is describing Todd & Blair not TnT, Vee. It's T&B who's every story is about lies followed by sadistic revenge schemes. They get their rocks on hurting each other. It's why their break ups are so darn disgusting, they take too much delight in causing the other pain.

Whose sadistic revenge schemes? Todd's? Because when Todd and Blair broke up it would usually follow a very set pattern, but not the one you're describing. Blair would find out whatever horrible thing Todd had done, react by sleeping with someone else and throwing it in his face, whatever, and vow to take the kids, as any sane person would when faced with his latest insane action. Then Todd would take that as reason enough to do something else insane, because hey, he should've been forgiven already. That is the pattern. And it was very tiresome. But there is no arson, there were no shovels or fisticuffs or letter openers and pleas for murder. There are no scenes in public where Blair comes to lunch and launches into an impromptu howling tirade at Todd about how he isn't even a man and can't satisfy her sexually. That was when I realized OMG, this bitch is crazy. Unfortunately at the time the show was writing Todd and Tea like it was the second coming of Luke and Laura.

The writing for them is both more and less honest since 2009. It's obvious only Tea would have him, but the show wants to have it both ways and say that's okay and they're a fairy tale. It's not a fairy tale. It's not therapeutic. They're just nuts.

We'll see what happens. They have a huge fan in Ron Carlivati. But the fact is that the last time they were together this long - 1998 - they kickstarted the pattern that followed Todd and Blair for years to come. That pattern being, "Todd and (X) reunite, are happy, until (X) discovers Todd's horrible crime which tears them apart." This began with the fake DID caper in '98, and continued through the Todd and Blair reunion years. Had Tea been around for most of the early '00s, I suspect she and Blair would simply have taken turns doing this pattern again and again. Because that is what the writers write for Todd, that is their unoriginality, and that is why it doesn't matter who Todd's with anymore. All he loves is himself.

Edited October 31, 201015 yr by Vee

I'm not going to debate six-year-old stage makeup with you. In the final analysis one was consensual sex, the other was a punch in the face.

In the final analysis, both women were abused by Todd and returned to him. That's the point NOT up for debate.

And I think a Disney's Magic Kingdom wedding several months later qualifies as a whitewashing, but then everything about Todd and Tea's relationship since 2009 has been about whitewashing him and his second rape of Marty.

And there in lies the core difference, that fairy tale wedding blew up in TnT's face and the whitewash exposed.

In contrast, Todd & Blair's golden balloons wedding whitewash was spun as a true romanticized fairy tale.

In terms of physical abuse of Blair, no, it's few and far between. Off the top of my head I can only think of one incident that qualifies, and that was the infamous belt scene in 1994 or '95. And of course the character never reached those depths again, until he did over and over and over again after coming back in 1996, and every time it was more about emotional and mental torment, with a few notable exceptions. One being Marty's re-rape, and the other being Todd clobbering Tea in the face.

The belt scene as you put it was Todd throwing Blair to the ground then later flinging her onto a bed where he almost raped her. He also grabbed her arms, twisted them to put her in handcuffs to Max Holden in 98. Todd's worse abuse of ANY woman was tossing out Blair's newborn and handing can of dirt. As a woman I would prefer a physical assault to the emotional battering he put her through. I still resent Todd's one saving grace, his love for kids, being thrown under the bus to redeem Blair for her disgustingly cruel paternity lies.

Reiko Aylesworth chose to leave the show and they got Todd another love interest. It's not a debate, it's a fact.

It's not a fact when you offer no proof to back it up, Vee.

Whose sadistic revenge schemes? Todd's? Because when Todd and Blair broke up it would usually follow a very set pattern, but not the one you're describing. Blair would find out whatever horrible thing Todd had done, react by sleeping with someone else and throwing it in his face, whatever, and vow to take the kids, as any sane person would when faced with his latest insane action. Then Todd would take that as reason enough to do something else insane, because hey, he should've been forgiven already. That is the pattern. And it was very tiresome. But there is no arson, there were no shovels or fisticuffs or letter openers and pleas for murder. There are no scenes in public where Blair comes to lunch and launches into an impromptu howling tirade at Todd about how he isn't even a man and can't satisfy her sexually. That was when I realized OMG, this bitch is crazy. Unfortunately at the time the show was writing Todd and Tea like it was the second coming of Luke and Laura.

Oh please Blair is hardly the innocent victim of mean old Todd. She's lied plenty to him, and sadistically tortured him. T&B started with Blair's big fat lie to fake a pregnancy to bring Todd back from Florida so she leech off his Lord millions. She darn well knew Todd believed she was the one person in the world he could trust and she played him for a fool. Blair also lied intentionally for months about Jack's paternity twisting the knife into Todd's back every chance she got.

Each time Todd found out a Blair lie, he took sadistic pleasure in plotting her destruction. AND that's how Blair reacts to his lies, too. She uses the kids as weapons against him or sleeps with an enemy to torture him. She gets her rocks on revenge schemes, getting near orgasmic at thought of bringing down her prey any way she can. She was like that last year trying to destroy Todd's life again b/c he rejected her after cabana sex. She also lied and tortured him that Tea schemed to steal his money. Because Blair's goal since meeting Todd is to reinforce only SHE can love him no one else ever really will.

To HER credit, Blair finally admitted the truth every viewer has known since Starr Wars I, like most ugly divorce, the kids are just weapons to hurl at each other.

As for no arson, right, Todd didn't try to burn down Blair and Cristian.

As for no public scenes, OMG, don't make me laugh. Hell No weddings, and the ugly battles in court where the vilest attacks were aired in public. Good grief, Vee, don't peddle to me this whitewash of T&B history.

They have a huge fan in Ron Carlivati. But the fact is that the last time they were together this long - 1998 - they kickstarted the pattern that followed Todd and Blair for years to come. That pattern being, "Todd and (X) reunite, are happy, until (X) discovers Todd's horrible crime which tears them apart." This began with the fake DID caper in '98, and continued through the Todd and Blair reunion years. Had Tea been around for most of the early '00s, I suspect she and Blair would simply have taken turns doing this pattern again and again. Because that is what the writers write for Todd, that is their unoriginality, and that is why it doesn't matter who Todd's with anymore. All he loves is himself.

You may hate Todd but you can't rewrite history. He's actually not always the one who blows relationship sky-high. Blair's lied to him plenty. Tea just spent a year lying about Danielle.

The difference between TnT and T&B is clear. When TnT blow up, the fight bitterly but they don't plot out a revenge scheme to destroy the other person. When Tea leaves Todd, he's pissed and hurt, but he doesn't concoct scheme after scheme to destroy her life and Tea doesn't plot to steal his newspaper or take his $$$ either.

TnT have their own dysfunctional way of handling pain but it's not the sadistic revenge crap T&B pull on each other.

And there in lies the core difference, that fairy tale wedding blew up in TnT's face and the whitewash exposed. In contrast, Todd & Blair's golden balloons wedding whitewash was spun as a true romanticized fairy tale.

First, the former has happened with Todd and Blair numerous times as well. Secondly, while I understood Roger Howarth's initial objection to the overall aesthetic - and again, he has never publicly commented on anything but Todd being made into a Lord heir and softened with Marty - it's not a whitewash when the character was shown to go through a grueling redemptive process for several years prior to that wedding and building a new family. Todd did not do anything remotely like those years after punching Tea, or re-raping Marty, or stealing Jack. He simply went on and got more romantic story.

He also grabbed her arms, twisted them to put her in handcuffs to Max Holden in 98.

Nor were they involved at the time. I'm not following you. Todd's manhandled a lot of people, women included - especially in 1998 - but we can't class them all as spousal abuse.

Todd's worse abuse of ANY woman was tossing out Blair's newborn and handing can of dirt. As a woman I would prefer a physical assault to the emotional battering he put her through. I still resent Todd's one saving grace, his love for kids, being thrown under the bus to redeem Blair for her disgustingly cruel paternity lies.

Are you honestly trying to tell me Todd's lie about Jack wasn't his fault because Blair told a single lie? Because we all know why Blair lied to Todd. Blair lied to him about Jack - stupidly, admittedly - because he had already pulled the rug out from under her, stood her up at their wedding and had her arrested. Over something which had nothing to do with her and everything to do with Max and Skye. She felt she couldn't trust him as a father and believed she wanted him out of her life. That whole (stupid) storyline was a series of misunderstandings compounded by misunderstandings and hurt feelings and pride from both people, but the bottom line is that only one person did the unthinkable and that was Todd. He told her her child was dead because even though he wanted her, even though she wanted him, even though they'd managed to just about patch things up at that point, he still couldn't stand the idea of raising another man's child, so instead of breaking up, instead of being a man and saying no, instead of stepping aside, he decided to have his cake and eat it too. He got rid of the inconvenient child and married Blair, no fuss, no muss.

It's not a fact when you offer no proof to back it up, Vee.

I promise to go on a tireless search for documentation to back up what I read years ago. I assume you need absolutely no documentation for your timeless conspiracy theory that has no basis in any established fact.

Oh please Blair is hardly the innocent victim of mean old Todd. She's lied plenty to him, and sadistically tortured him. T&B started with Blair's big fat lie to fake a pregnancy to bring Todd back from Florida so she leech off his Lord millions.

Yes, she was a grifter and then they fell in love for real. It's a typical soap opera storyline. It happens all the time. Tea was a shark and then they fell in love for real. Same thing, slightly re-jiggered.

Each time Todd found out a Blair lie, he took sadistic pleasure in plotting her destruction. AND that's how Blair reacts to his lies, too. She uses the kids as weapons against him or sleeps with an enemy to torture him.

You're right - striking out to sleep with someone else or shelter her children is totally an equivalent and equal vicious response to Todd's numerous savage, bestial acts like the whole Jack thing, the re-rape, the mob hit, their aborted wedding in 2000 where she got busted, the brain tumor, and Todd posing as Walker Laurence for a year and worming his way back into her life. Honestly, if Todd did some of this [!@#$%^&*] to me or you and we were his wife with children, what would we do? Remember the good times? Give him visitation? I'm thinking no. My enumerating all this [!@#$%^&*] makes it sound ridiculous because it is, and because this is the way of Todd's character with everyone he's been with since 1996.

As for no arson, right, Todd didn't try to burn down Blair and Cristian.

Point taken, I totally forgot about that. That was a good time.

As for no public scenes, OMG, don't make me laugh. Hell No weddings, and the ugly battles in court where the vilest attacks were aired in public.

Really, Blair caused that public un-wedding? You could've fooled me. She sure looked surprised. And a courtroom is a courtroom. Cutting off a dude's balls in a public restaurant is a different story.

You may hate Todd but you can't rewrite history. He's actually not always the one who blows relationship sky-high. Blair's lied to him plenty. Tea just spent a year lying about Danielle.

Please name a single instance between now and 1996 when Blair's actions have ended one of Todd and Blair's relationships. I'll wait. Incidentally, "sleeping with other dudes" only happens after Blair has found out about Todd's latest relationship-destroying blunder. Spencer included. He lied about Margaret and that frickin' canoe for months, bribed Denton to lie, etc. until she was led to believe he had indeed killed the woman. Then there's Walker, Jack, that whole mob thing, Starr and Cole...

As for Danielle, Tea spent fifteen years lying about her because she couldn't handle the fact that he got back with Blair. She knew she might be Todd's, deep down, but chose not to explore it because hey, he didn't pick her. I think that trumps the beginning of Todd and Blair's courtship. It's just petty vindictiveness.

The difference between TnT and T&B is clear. When TnT blow up, the fight bitterly but they don't plot out a revenge scheme to destroy the other person.

Only because they haven't been on the show together long enough. Though Tea certainly did throw Andrew and Kevin in his face. The main reason they don't go after each other full-tilt is because one of them is usually off the show by then. Which is why I welcome this uninterrupted period of marital bliss, absolutely.

Edited October 31, 201015 yr by Vee

Only because they haven't been on the show together long enough. Though Tea certainly did throw Andrew and Kevin in his face. The main reason they don't go after each other full-tilt is because one of them is usually off the show by then. Which is why I welcome this uninterrupted period of marital bliss, absolutely.

they broke up big last summer when he found out she wasnt married. I didnt see either plot revenge against the other. Todd was naturally hurt and pissed off but dumped her and kept it moving. Tea herself didnt take the rejection as an oppurtunity to seek vengeance and hurt him even more. You cant certainly say they weren't on the show long enough bc its been nearly a year and a half since that story and both are still on the show

Wasn't that during the period of time Tea was on less and less and people were saying she was about to be fired?

Wasn't that during the period of time Tea was on less and less and people were saying she was about to be fired?

Um not quite. More like she was on more and more. Their wedding and quick breakup was Sept 2009 and here were her counts for that and the months around it. Not only were her counts higher leading up to it, she was in the top 3 for these months and featured heavily. You know she was. You mention frequently how much the overexposure of Tea in the second half of the year brought OLTL and its ratings down.

July - 14

Aug - 15

Sept - 17

Oct - 17

Nov - 14

Edited October 31, 201015 yr by Cheap21

Their wedding and quick breakup was Sept 2009 and here were her counts for that and the months around it. Not only were her counts higher leading up to it, she was in the top 3 for these months and featured heavily.

I guess that shows just how lazy this story has become. I just remember a lot of the stuff with the wedding ending, then the Danielle stuff, and then the Todd/Tea true love stuff starting to fizzle out and Tea being seen less and less. I guess that must have been more around the start of 2010.

they broke up big last summer when he found out she wasnt married. I didnt see either plot revenge against the other. Todd was naturally hurt and pissed off but dumped her and kept it moving. Tea herself didnt take the rejection as an oppurtunity to seek vengeance and hurt him even more. You cant certainly say they weren't on the show long enough bc its been nearly a year and a half since that story and both are still on the show

That break-up was only a preamble, though. They remained in each other's orbit pining for one another because it was all about the Danielle reveal, and continued to be until it seemed like she might be getting kicked off the show the following winter.

I really enjoy Florencia Lozano on the show and I think she has a place on it. But I'm not going to pretend her story since reuniting with Todd has been anything but a dung heap. She's a fine actress, but the material is terrible and I don't believe a thing Todd says or does. And her character is being presented in a light that doesn't benefit her talent or the character itself.

Edited October 31, 201015 yr by Vee

That break-up was only a preamble, though. They remained in each other's orbit pining for one another because it was all about the Danielle reveal, and continued to be until it seemed like she might be getting kicked off the show the following winter.

I really enjoy Florencia Lozano on the show and I think she has a place on it. But I'm not going to pretend her story since reuniting with Todd has been anything but a dung heap. She's a fine actress, but the material is terrible and I don't believe a thing Todd says or does. And her character is being presented in a light that doesn't benefit her talent or the character itself.

Now your making excuses though. Alot of Todd and Blair's breakups could also be considered "preambles" as you put it bc many times they went right on back to being together after all the revenge and fighting ceased. Todd and Tea could have been been trying to destroy the other after their break up before they reunited as well but they didnt