I thought I'd open since it's been a week. It still doesn't seem real.

15 minutes ago, Tisy-Lish said:

Hadn't Grandpa Hughes married Mrs Kilpeckni (or some-such name) around the time he moved back to the family farm?  So did Grandpa's new wife appear at the funeral?  Was there any mention of her in the that episode's script??

Mrs Kopecki had been around for years  but never seen.

So I guess when Santos was too ill to appear they decided to have him offscreen by giving him a happy ending and return to his farm.

Maybe they said she was too old/or reluctant to return to Oakdale.

Re the family farm. The family held on to it? Did John Hughes live there at one point? 

What happened to it? Maybe it was just forgotten.

 

8 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Mrs Kopecki had been around for years  but never seen.

So I guess when Santos was too ill to appear they decided to have him offscreen by giving him a happy ending and return to his farm.

Maybe they said she was too old/or reluctant to return to Oakdale.

Re the family farm. The family held on to it? Did John Hughes live there at one point? 

What happened to it? Maybe it was just forgotten.

 

I do remember that Mrs Kopecki was mentioned for years but not seen.

But Santos was not too ill to appear when Grandpa left the show, because he had good-bye scenes -- supposedly going off to marry Mrs Kopecki.

And the following Christmas day (what year was that?), Grandpa showed up at the front-door for a visit (at the very end of the episode) and was welcomed by the Hughes family.  

Sadly Santos seemed very thin and weak, and had no lines.   This was the last time we saw Grandpa Will Hughes.   

I did not see Grandpa's funeral episode, so I don't know whether or not Mrs Kopecki appeared in that episode.   

I don't understand why they didn't have Don attend. Looking at Soapcentral he was back on canvas from February 1976. I guess that could be wrong...it's all confusing.

Edited June 27Jun 27 by DRW50

 

Grandpa's funeral was June 76. Santos passed away April 76. Synopsis says that Irma Kopecki Hughes was too ill to attend.

Don arrived played by Martin West in July 76, Soap Central was wrong(again).

Odd that they couldn't have delayed the funeral to accommodate Don's arrival.

I wonder if Irma and the farm were ever mentioned again? Same with John and Edie Hughes.

Once Irna left in 73 they were probably consigned to history. I have a feeling that when she was in charge they would have at least been mentioned.

11 hours ago, Tisy-Lish said:

Hadn't Grandpa Hughes married Mrs Kilpeckni (or some-such name) around the time he moved back to the family farm?  So did Grandpa's new wife appear at the funeral?  Was there any mention of her in the that episode's script??

Bob said she wasn't physically able to make the trip to Oakdale for the funeral. She was at "the farm" with her family. So, I would assume the farm he mentioned was the farm Grandpa Hughes and Irna lived in together. And I would also assume that they had married. I guess Grandpa either died in Oakdale on a visit or his body was sent there just for the funeral. I don't know. I only have the funeral episode.  

11 hours ago, Tisy-Lish said:

And the following Christmas day (what year was that?), Grandpa showed up at the front-door for a visit (at the very end of the episode) and was welcomed by the Hughes family.  

If that happened, it would have been 1975. I'm not doubting it happened. That's just the one Christmas episode I don't have. It's definitely not 1974. He didn't surprise anyone with a visit that year and had some lines. And he died in 1976. So it had to be 1975. 

Edited June 27Jun 27 by Reverend Ruthledge

2 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

I wonder if Irma and the farm were ever mentioned again? Same with John and Edie Hughes.

Once Irna left in 73 they were probably consigned to history. I have a feeling that when she was in charge they would have at least been mentioned.

I don't know for sure but I doubt that any of these people or the farm was mentioned again. John and Edith strangely didn't even get a mention at their own father's funeral. So they had both been long-forgotten by this point. You are absolutely right that Irna would have at least mentioned them since they were her creations. Apparently, even in the glory days of the 70s, writers tended to have little concern about characters they didn't create. This is probably why Donald and Penny only got a brief mention. This, of course, got way worse going forward in the soap world. 

just found this:

 

Bob Hughes' eulogy to his grandfather, on June 4th, 1976

Thank you for being with us today. Pa would have liked this rain, and what it would do for all growing things. He loved birth, growth, nurturing. This would be his kind of day--and perhaps it is. Because he we are, too---his friends, his neighbors, his pastor and three generations of the family whom he loved so much together. He would love the fact of Mom cooking this morning, so that people cold eat later on--if they wanted to stay together a little longer and talk a little longer. We loved him, and he loved us. That love will always be with us, because we each carry some living memory of him, and that will go on as long as we go on. We Hugheses all shared for years my grandfather's blessing of having such a good man live among us. Grandpa had a sweetness and a tolerance. He believed there was good in everyone. When we were kids we used to say, "Now, Grandpa, not everybody's good." And he'd say, "Oh, yes—it's there—but in some people it just never had a chance to grow." He never tried to tell you what to do, but he had a way of leading you to what was right, and what was the truth. Sometimes—sometimes we didn't take his hand when he offered to lead us, and that's when we got into trouble. In the last year of his life, he married a lovely woman. She's with her family today. She needs them just as we need each other here. Grandpa has a great-granddaughter who is only two and a half. She's home. She may not understand our sadness, but she will share the memories of Pa through all of us, and someday pass some of them on to her children—and so on and on part of his spirit will always be with us. It's stopped raining. As much as he loved the rain, Pa loved the sun that came after the rain. Pa loved life. Pa loved God. He's with Him.

 

Thanks @wonderwoman1951

That's beautifully written. 

I love the part about how when they were kids, they would say not all people are good, and he told them in some people the goodness was just never able to grow. That's the type of fiber ATWT had in its best years.

20 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I think P&G has had plenty of deserved blame from fans. And I do blame them for some of the lack of interest in vets returning, although I do wonder if Rosemary Prinz or Pat Bruder were asked.

As I'm also an actor in NYC, I've run into many person from the soaps. I've chatted with Rosemary Prinz a couple of times - this would've been the late '00s. I got the impression she wasn't particularly interested in ever returning to ATWT. So that's another point to be made. We have no idea how many people were asked to return but said, "No thank you," without the "thank you." Not many actors are as gracious as Julianne Moore.

20 hours ago, Tisy-Lish said:

Procter and Gamble NEVER wanted out of the soap opera business.  It was the networks (particularly NBC and CBS) that wanted to stop doing business with Procter and Gamble Productions.  P&G Productions didn't always play along with network expectations, but it was always the networks that cancelled the shows, and always the networks that tightened the budgets.  P&G would still have nine soap operas on television, if they were in control.  And that's the truth!  Reporting live from Cincinnati....

I live in New York. I don't know if you're in the surrounding area but, if so, I've get this amazing bridge up for sale. Send me a PM.

5 minutes ago, adrnyc said:

As I'm also an actor in NYC, I've run into many person from the soaps. I've chatted with Rosemary Prinz a couple of times - this would've been the late '00s. I got the impression she wasn't particularly interested in ever returning to ATWT. So that's another point to be made. We have no idea how many people were asked to return but said, "No thank you," without the "thank you." Not many actors are as gracious as Julianne Moore.

If so, that's a shame. I know she came back in 1998 and 2000 and talked a bit about the show when it ended. At least we have those returns. 

15 minutes ago, adrnyc said:

As I'm also an actor in NYC, I've run into many person from the soaps. I've chatted with Rosemary Prinz a couple of times - this would've been the late '00s. I got the impression she wasn't particularly interested in ever returning to ATWT. So that's another point to be made. We have no idea how many people were asked to return but said, "No thank you," without the "thank you." Not many actors are as gracious as Julianne Moore.

I live in New York. I don't know if you're in the surrounding area but, if so, I've get this amazing bridge up for sale. Send me a PM.

I'm in Cincinnati.  And what would anyone in New York know about P&G??  I don't need a bridge, but thanks.

Edited June 27Jun 27 by Tisy-Lish

Someone uploaded an episode I don't see elsewhere. (June 24, 1993).

 

Edited June 28Jun 28 by DRW50

3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Someone uploaded an episode I don't see elsewhere. (June 24, 1993).

 

Glynnis, the purse lady, as Margo. 😂

14 hours ago, wonderwoman1951 said:

just found this:

 

Bob Hughes' eulogy to his grandfather, on June 4th, 1976

Thank you for being with us today. Pa would have liked this rain, and what it would do for all growing things. He loved birth, growth, nurturing. This would be his kind of day--and perhaps it is. Because he we are, too---his friends, his neighbors, his pastor and three generations of the family whom he loved so much together. He would love the fact of Mom cooking this morning, so that people cold eat later on--if they wanted to stay together a little longer and talk a little longer. We loved him, and he loved us. That love will always be with us, because we each carry some living memory of him, and that will go on as long as we go on. We Hugheses all shared for years my grandfather's blessing of having such a good man live among us. Grandpa had a sweetness and a tolerance. He believed there was good in everyone. When we were kids we used to say, "Now, Grandpa, not everybody's good." And he'd say, "Oh, yes—it's there—but in some people it just never had a chance to grow." He never tried to tell you what to do, but he had a way of leading you to what was right, and what was the truth. Sometimes—sometimes we didn't take his hand when he offered to lead us, and that's when we got into trouble. In the last year of his life, he married a lovely woman. She's with her family today. She needs them just as we need each other here. Grandpa has a great-granddaughter who is only two and a half. She's home. She may not understand our sadness, but she will share the memories of Pa through all of us, and someday pass some of them on to her children—and so on and on part of his spirit will always be with us. It's stopped raining. As much as he loved the rain, Pa loved the sun that came after the rain. Pa loved life. Pa loved God. He's with Him.

 

That was beautiful.   

It can also serve as an example of how far soaps have fallen since then. You would never hear anything like that on any soap nowadays. You'd never get a scene long enough to have someone read a eulogy like that to begin with. It's all plot, plot and more plot now, and the human, emotional part is missing.