Not to mention, Mamie got to own Jill's ass from time to time in their spats.

And she was never "the help" like Miguel or Mrs. Martinez.

She was a legit member of the family.

When you are paid to be there you are not a legitimate member of the family.

The Abbotts were old money which their names reflected like Ashley originally being Tiffany.

What do the Abbott names have to do with Mamie's name?

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Mamie apparently was earning so much she got to put Olivia through medical school.

If he could assemble a decent writing team, I would LOVE it if he launched a soap on TVOne, not even daily, maybe a weekly or bi-weekly Degrassi-like schedule or something.

He'd have to do a daily soap, at least three or four days a week. Isn't that the way he launched "House of Payne"? He aired about two or three episodes a week. And all of his sitcoms are videotaped, multicamera with that faux-film filter.

The guy could do a successful daytime soap if he wanted. He's got his own studio space in Atlanta, a huge African-American following, and could easily find support on TBS for his venture. It might be good, it might not be. But his work, from what I've observed(never seen any of his movies), is just very soapy in general.

Until the writer drama, I've never knocked Tyler Perry. I get people think he promotes negative racial stereotypes and that he's an all-out, modern day minstrel show with Madea, but I honestly believe Perry just wants to tell fun comedy with his series of Why Did I Get Married/Madea type movies. I don't believe that's any worse than the ridiculous amounts of shallow Jennifer Aniston/Kate Hudson/Ben Stiller movies that are out there. It's not like Perry produced Soul Plane(which was probably the most offensive movie I've seen last decade).

What happened with his writers?

He promised to eventually pay them union wages for their work on House of Payne and Meet the Browns and when they went on strike to protest, he fired them all. He eventually came to an agreement with the Guild, but it's upsetting to me because he's a writer himself and understood how much hard work it took to establish himself when people probably wrote him off or tried to not pay him what he was worth for his Madea shows. These writers were looking to him, not for a handout, but what was rightfully theirs as writers working in the biz. Not to mention, for someone who doesn't believe he should be paying writers union wages, why is he a member of the Screen Actors Guild and the DGA?

He still gets his panties in a wad about it even after he had to pony up the money to his writers, which still upsets me.

I never watched Port Charles, but I was always under the impression that Rafe/Allison were very popular.

They were. Not going to knock them. But I didn't like them. And there were many fans who didn't appreciate the trashing of the Jamal/Alison characters just to prop the peroxide duo.

When you are paid to be there you are not a legitimate member of the family.

You are when those that pay you demand their wife treat you with respect & who help your relatives because they love you.

What do the Abbott names have to do with Mamie's name?

It's a matter of context.

He'd have to do a daily soap, at least three or four days a week. Isn't that the way he launched "House of Payne"? He aired about two or three episodes a week. And all of his sitcoms are videotaped, multicamera with that faux-film filter.

The guy could do a successful daytime soap if he wanted. He's got his own studio space in Atlanta, a huge African-American following, and could easily find support on TBS for his venture. It might be good, it might not be. But his work, from what I've observed(never seen any of his movies), is just very soapy in general.

Just as long as he's not allowed to write.

And there were many fans who didn't appreciate the trashing of the Jamal/Alison characters just to prop the peroxide duo.

And the subsequent marginalization of Jamal.

First being relegated to third wheel in a boring romantic triangle of various ethnicity then even further to "that black storyline" with glorified day player Kent Masters King.

Just as long as he's not allowed to write.

LOL. He'd obviously need to be paired with someone who understood the genre or had previous soap experience. Someone who he could bounce ideas off from. But he may be too egotistical to commit to that.

LOL. He'd obviously need to be paired with someone who understood the genre or had previous soap experience. Someone who he could bounce ideas off from. But he may be too egotistical to commit to that.

He'll probably be playing every character in drag, too...

And the subsequent marginalization of Jamal.

First being relegated to third wheel in a boring romantic triangle of various ethnicity then even further to "that black storyline" with glorified day player Kent Masters King.

+1 Kiko was too good for that sh*t.

He'll probably be playing every character in drag, too...

Michael Muhney's got nothin' on Tyler Perry.

Someone who he could bounce ideas off from.

And reign in his love of excess.

+1 Kiko was too good for that sh*t.

Battling Eddie Matos over Joy Bisco?

Really Port Charles? Really?

Battling Eddie Matos over Joy Bisco?

Really Port Charles? Really?

Ugh, I just wanna forget that ish ever happened.

Ugh, I just wanna forget that ish ever happened.

Especially since Eddie WON.

Who would pick Eddie over Kiko?

WHO?

You are when those that pay you demand their wife treat you with respect & who help your relatives because they love you.

Sorry, your family can't fire your ass if you don't do the dishes.

It's a matter of context.

What context?

Sorry, your family can't fire your ass if you don't do the dishes.

Nobody's arguing that she was an employee but she is also family.

She's to The Abbotts what Esther is to Katherine.

What context?

It was a reflection of real life.

Mamie was a middle aged Black Woman born in an era where names like Mamie (for all women) was common.

It wouldn't be anymore different if the character's name were Juanita or Beulah or Hazel or Hattie.

For instance Tiffany was a popular name for many women (especially wealthy ones) in the 80's or names like Ryder & Chloe are common for youth now.

I understand the concern people may have with the intent behind the name but Bill never treated the character with anything less than dignity & respect which was reflected via his writing & characterization.