Does anyone have Heroes last ratings? 18–49 and HHs?

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/508104662

(Viewers: #4, 4.93 million; A18-49: #4, 2.2/ 5 from 8-10 p.m.)

Heroes looks DOA.

Doesn't NBC Universal develop most of the shows for USA. I realize cable is a different animal but WTF. They've got a number of successes. Why can't they develop shows for NBC?

I really don't think NBC has a fricking clue on what it want's it's identity to be. Do they still want to attract the intellectual over 100K types or what?

http://pifeedback.co...451/m/508104662

(Viewers: #4, 4.93 million; A18-49: #4, 2.2/ 5 from 8-10 p.m.)

Thanks!

Will moving Leno back be NBC's worst decision ever??

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/01/09/2010-01-09_the_making_of_nbc_tonight_horror_show.html

Probably not, but it's an interesting read.

I heard on Today Weekend that the rumor is they may move Leno to his old timeslot, but only for a half-hour.

Interesting that they want to chip away at Letterman's audience by keeping Leno at a half-hour and then hoping the audience will stay around for Conan. But there's also Nightline to consider. ABC has always wanted to cancel the show, but the show always performs well when there's BIG news to report(i.e. Nigerian on a Plane, Brittany Murphy, Britney Spears, The Election). On some days, Nightline even outperforms Letterman in Total Viewers and 18-49.

Maybe NBC wants to keep Leno there, at a half-hour until they can see what he can do, then if he doesn't goose the numbers, expire his contract and then do a half-hour of Dateline 5 Nights a week, as a lead-in to Conan? Or do the more logical thing, move Conan back to his rightful place.

As mad as Jay and Conan fans are right now, let's face it...at least NBC is trying to save itself!

And I love how Leno is crying that NBC betrayed him. Really?! After he stole Letterman's job to begin with and almost stole Conan's heir apparent, he's gonna try to cry that nonsense?

Someone shove Doritos down his mouth.

It's not uncommon for Nightline to beat Letterman and now Tonight Show with Conan's lower ratings. ABC would be crazy to cancel it or move it.

It's not uncommon for Nightline to beat Letterman and now Tonight Show with Conan's lower ratings. ABC would be crazy to cancel it or move it.

The sad thing is, prior to the 2008 Election, I think ABC always saw Nightline as rather expendable. I still think people at ABC feel that way.

I think that, combined with people's craving for reality, really saved Nightline from extinction. The format change(into a more newsmagazine format rather than the short documentary-esque tone Ted Koppell set from the beginning) really helped the show gain new viewers. I think it's great that Nightline survived and is still the only place in network television someone can get news or infotainment after the local news. I'm still sick as hell that ABC caved and canceled Politically Incorrect well before its time. Real Time is not the same show, and Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert simply can't do for me what PI did. Bringing four random celebs, politicians, talking heads, organization leaders together to debate political issues and hotbutton issues was a genius concept(albeit ripped off from cable news shows). The show got much better when Maher dropped his terrible opening monologue and did the cold open.

As great as it is that ABC has expanded late-night and is doing Jimmy Kimmel, I really wish a show in that timeslot provoked more thought for its audience. But at the end of the day, it's all about money.

Give me Nightline anyday over Letterman, Leno, or Conan.

Edited January 10, 201015 yr by bellcurve

It's official.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20335939,00.html

They want Leno at 11:35, Conan at 12:05, and then useless Fallon after that.

Why should Conan stay at NBC?

Gaspin says, "Conan's motivation will become more clear as time goes on. We gave something important to him, which was The Tonight Show, made it clear that it was moving with him. Conan wanted the franchise of The Tonight Show; Jay wanted to tell jokes at 11:30. Still things [need] to be worked out."

I think we have learned just how useless the Tonight Show name is without enough to back it up.

Jay Leno certainly did well for NBC during his run but a part of me wonders if the name is really worth anything without Johnny Carson.

So "it's official", but "it's not a done deal yet". LOL!

I think we have learned just how useless the Tonight Show name is without enough to back it up.

Jay Leno certainly did well for NBC during his run but a part of me wonders if the name is really worth anything without Johnny Carson.

So you think the brand only deteriorated with both Leno and O'Brien?

So you think the brand only deteriorated with both Leno and O'Brien?

I think the brand left with Carson. The buzz and the public's fondness, everything (Carson even hosted all those awards shows -- he was of as much public interest as the show was). After that I think it just became some show Leno hosted, and some people kept watching because he was a nonoffensive, average joe presence, compared to someone like Letterman. Leno is someone who is easier to sit through after you watch the news or you want to wind down. But apparently NBC thought the Tonight Show itself was still of name value.

Put Leno in an earlier slot, when people are more used to stronger fare, and leave the Tonight Show where it is with someone who is not mainstream (like Conan -- he works best as an acquired taste), and you lose out.

They should just put Leno back at the Tonight Show instead of half-assing it. Then perhaps they can slowly phase in someone who can eventually replace him.

Edited January 10, 201015 yr by CarlD2

Yes, I agree with what you say. And BTW: the So "it's official", but "it's not a done deal yet". LOL! was directed towards the People article, not you.

They should just put Leno back at the Tonight Show instead of half-assing it. Then perhaps they can slowly phase in someone who can eventually replace him.

How is this going to work out exactly? Leno is getting a whole new, half-hour show? And The Tonight Show will start and 12:05 PM?

The Hollywood Reporter is reporting about it too:

It's official: NBC is booting Jay Leno from primetime.

NBC Universal TV Entertainment chairman Jeff Gaspin confirmed Sunday to reporters at the Television Critics Assn. press tour in Pasadena that the network is going "back to basics" -- scripted programming at 10 p.m., talk shows in late-night and a traditional network upfront in May.

"I can confirm that starting Feb. 12, Jay Leno will no longer air at 10 p.m.," Gaspin told the packed auditorium. "While it was performing at acceptable levels, it did not meet our affiliates' needs. My goal right now is to keep Jay (Leno), Conan (O'Brien) and Jimmy (Fallon) as part of our late-night lineup. As much as I'd like to tell you we have a done deal, we know that's not true."

NBC has asked Leno to move to 11:35 p.m. as a half-hour show, followed by O'Brien's hourlong "Tonight Show" and Fallon's one-hour "Late Night." Leno is expected to agree to the change, though it's unclear if O'Brien is willing to stay with the network. One way or another, Gaspin said he expects the network will have a new schedule in place before the Olympics begin next month.

"I can't imagine we won't have everything in place before then," he said.

Gaspin was uncertain at this juncture what will air instead of "The Jay Leno Show" at 10 p.m. but estimated in the short term there will be "two hours of scripted, another reality hour and combination of 'Dateline' or repeats."

When asked why NBC abandoned its 52-week strategy with Leno, giving him a year to settle into primetime before making any decisions, Gaspin pointed to affiliate concerns.

"I would have liked nothing more than to give this a 52-week try," Gaspin said. "Affiliates started calling, saying local news was being impacted more than expected. In some cases, they had the No. 1 news show, and now they were No. 3."

After affiliates began to informally threaten to pre-empt the telecast due to slacking ratings for their local newscasts, their displeasure was going to become "a PR issue" for the network and Gaspin said he felt compelled to act quickly.

"This was not an issue for the network; it was an issue for our affiliates," he said. "We were making money at 10 p.m. I think over time (Leno show ratings) might have started to grow. For the network, it was not yet a wrong decision."

The proposed shift wasn't an easy decision -- or an easy sell to NBC Uni president and CEO Jeff Zucker. Gaspin said he decided before the December holiday break that he needed to make a change. He had multiple conversations with Zucker, explaining in each why every other possibility (such as scaling back Leno to fewer nights) wasn't going to work.

"I did an analysis of all the possible changes I could make," Gaspin said. "(I told him) this was our best choice and probably our only choice."

Pressed on whether "Leno Show" was a mistake, Gaspin said, "I don't think its wrong to take chances. We might have been too early on this one."

Even while pledging to return to a more traditional network model, Gaspin expressed some skepticism about whether 10 p.m. is truly viable for scripted programming. He noted that "Leno Show" lost NBC nine-tenths of a rating point this fall, yet competitors ABC and CBS, which largely stayed with drama series in the hour, likewise lost a tenth of a point each.

"I handed them nine-tenths of a rating point each, and they each lost a tenth," Gaspin said. "Tell me there's not a problem with 10 p.m. on broadcast."

Leno, O'Brien and Fallon, Gaspin said, were "incredibly gracious and professional" when told the news.

"I made the tough call," Gaspin said. "They all understood the situation I was in. ... Beyond that, it was a private conversation."

The hosts have the weekend to think about the proposed changes. "Last Call" host Carson Daly, however, might be the odd man out, with Gaspin saying only that Daly would "remain part of the NBC family."

On the programming side, Gaspin confirmed the pickup of several pilots and announced that the network is developing a Los Angeles-based "Law & Order," which was jokingly dubbed "LOLA." He announced that Howie Mandel would take over for David Hasselhoff as a judge on "America's Got Talent." NBC will air a preview of Jerry Seinfeld's new reality series "The Marriage Ref" after the Winter Olympics Closing Ceremony -- a network first.

After experimenting with an April "infront" for the past two years, the network will return to a traditional upfront presentation on May 17, giving its programrs more time to produce a crop a pilots.

"I almost don't care how quickly it happens, as long as it happens," Gaspin said of his goal to improve the network's lineup. "As long as I see an hour going up instead of going to the side or down, I'll be happy. ... In some cases, going back to basics is the smartest play."

Edited January 10, 201015 yr by Sylph

Nikki Finke on announced scripted dramas and the cancellation.

Wow, ANOTHER Law & Order! I don't know what to say. Couldn't they do more to build up the "mothership" L&O, which, along with SVU, has been battered about over the last few years? And set in Los Angeles. Very NCIS LA. They can cast James van der Beek and Busta Rhymes in the lead roles.

Howie Mandal is someone I find hard to watch when he's being himself; I much preferred him as a dramatic actor. I don't know how he'll be on this show, but then they might be moving him into that since Deal or No Deal is not what it once was.

I had to laugh when Gaspin said NBC "gave" CBS and ABC viewers at 10 PM and they didn't capitalize. Really, there was very little going on in NBC's 10 PM slot anyway, that's the reason they decided to try to go cheap and put Leno in.

After Time hyped Leno, putting him on their cover as the wave of the future, I hope they will have another big story to eat some crow. Then again, if the choice is between that and stuff like fawning over Ann Coulter, Leno's not so bad.

Edited January 10, 201015 yr by CarlD2