Well, that didn't last long!

Well what is it about him that would make him "have it in" for Broderick? I know Megan would never want to work on a team with her, but I don't know why Kreizman wouldn't. Does he have a McT-ish personality?

^ The two already worked together on GL and it wasn't a successful collaboration. The show was better when she was around, but she left after about six months. She was around for Kriezman's early days, which helped cement him as GL's savior IIRC. BTW, on the subject of Black and Stern, I can't believe they got picked to work at ATWT. Their work on Eden and Falcon Crest was terrible (just assuming on Eden, but i'm sure I'm right) and so different from what ATWT is supposed to be about. I really wish I could see their ATWT because it sounds like such a bizarre pairing.

I don't know Kreizman that well (except for certain long ago incidents that made it REALLY surprising for me to see him get married - but that's another show!) ... Is he generally perceived as that insecure and conniving?

You make it sound like McTavish when she talks about Agnes Nixon!

Insecure and conniving? That's kind of harsh.

And RE: marriage — hasn't he married a director from Guiding Light or something?

^ The two already worked together on GL and it wasn't a successful collaboration. The show was better when she was around, but she left after about six months. She was around for Kriezman's early days, which helped cement him as GL's savior IIRC. BTW, on the subject of Black and Stern, I can't believe they got picked to work at ATWT. Their work on Eden and Falcon Crest was terrible (just assuming on Eden, but i'm sure I'm right) and so different from what ATWT is supposed to be about. I really wish I could see their ATWT because it sounds like such a bizarre pairing.

I saw some of Eden. The show wasn't awful but it was just flat. The male flesh was probably the only real highlight, that and Diana Barton as a psycho. Oddly enough both Jeff Griggs and Jack Armstrong got acting work on soaps after that. (Jeff was pretty good though)

This is some of their ATWT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxSjkCv3FWE

http://www.youtube.com/user/patc2000#p/u/63/wa5dibiOhSo

That's fairly early in their run. The later stuff was often the real pits.

This leads to clips of the story where Casey was kidnapped and Tom and Margo thought the culprits were Nazi gunrunners.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TomarShipper

Edited March 3, 201015 yr by CarlD2

The two already worked together on GL and it wasn't a successful collaboration. The show was better when she was around, but she left after about six months. She was around for Kriezman's early days, which helped cement him as GL's savior IIRC

If it cemented him as GL's savior as you said, then it must have been successful in some manner. Do we know that her exit was due to acrimony between her and Kreizman? While her being there for a 6-month stint may be the case, I don't think just that necessarily speaks to the idea of him trying to get her canned here on AMC. Unless there's more to the story than that, I think that idea's jumping the gun.

Insecure and conniving? That's kind of harsh.

No, it's not at all harsh for someone who would angle to get another person fired (that would be the "conniving" part) because he felt threatened by the reputation of a co-worker (that would be the "insecure" part)... which is what you described Kreizman would do. I wouldn't call that the behavior of a "confident" / "ethical" person.

You're not answering my question, though. What is it about Kreizman that would make him have it in for Broderick (or any other writer) like you described? I'm not defending him; I don't know much about him, other than his climb from an intern to head writer. I guess I'm just asking because, while I always hope for the best, I like to prepare for the worst!

Edited March 3, 201015 yr by YurSoakinginit

If it cemented him as GL's savior as you said, then it must have been successful in some manner. Do we know that her exit was due to acrimony between her and Kreizman? While her being there for a 6-month stint may be the case, I don't think just that necessarily speaks to the idea of him trying to get her canned here on AMC. Unless there's more to the story than that, I think that idea's jumping the gun.

By successful I just meant that the time she was on the show it was better than when she left. That's when the stories began to take a ridiculous turn. It might not mean she's the reason they were successful or anything. But I do think if she only lasted for six months it has to be for a reason. Either Kriezman didn't see her as a fit or she didn't see herself as a fit.

I saw some of Eden. The show wasn't awful but it was just flat. The male flesh was probably the only real highlight, that and Diana Barton as a psycho. Oddly enough both Jeff Griggs and Jack Armstrong got acting work on soaps after that. (Jeff was pretty good though)

You mean Tony Sinatra, right?!

I was just gonna say--it's more remarkable Griggs has worked subsequent to his hardcore Tony Sinatra gay porn career than softcore trash like Eden.

No HW other than Bob Guza has any real, lasting power over story direction at ABC. The others take their freedom and brief intervals of self-determinism where they can find it, good or bad. Sometimes they're in sync with Frons. But Frons has the upper hand with almost all of them over the last several years.

I'm pretty sure Kreizman was hired because he is more of the new breed of malleable writer that Frons prefers; he's also younger, and represents something 'new' whereas Lorraine Broderick is the old guard and likely reeks to Frons of the middle-aged demographic. I never thought all that much of her, but she's still better than Kreizman and she has some talent. I don't, however, think that DK had anything to do with pushing Broderick out. Broderick allegedly did not want to stay long, and I don't think Frons would have let her. ABC was tripping all over itself to tell people again and again that she was not, repeat, not head writer.

Edited March 5, 201015 yr by Vee

Vee the current gossip is she will remain on the writing team--but, while I prefer Broderick much more than you, I do agree with everything else you say full stop.

Vee the current gossip is she will remain on the writing team--but, while I prefer Broderick much more than you, I do agree with everything else you say full stop.

Same here. I can't predict the future, but it's certainly better for the team if she stays. She's a valuable resource in terms of history and vision for the show. Anyone that's really familiar with her previous AMC work can tell that her contributions and presence are evident now.

Completely. I do hope they still focus on, in the long haul, making Pine Valley more diverse again--and I don't mean racially (though that's always welcome) but in terms of only having one or two truly rich groups, and then having more mid-level families, etc.

I was just gonna say--it's more remarkable Griggs has worked subsequent to his hardcore Tony Sinatra gay porn career than softcore trash like Eden.

It hasn't been seriously tested but I think if you have the looks and charisma (which I think Griggs/Sinatra did -- he was very good in those Skinemax B-movies and in his brief DAYS run), you can make it past porn work. But then, he supposedly lost his job at DAYS because he was once in porn, so who knows. Last I heard about him was when he painted a picture of President Bush (W) and it was put in the White House.

The oddest part was that four years after he was fired from DAYS they brought him back in a cameo in a totally different role. I don't know if they felt sorry for him over having to fire him or what, but how random. Perhaps it depended on who his costars were in the '96 story.

Edited March 5, 201015 yr by CarlD2

Did the DAYS people really know he didn't have a porn past? Seems weird to me. It's true it's happened before (Dennis Parker the porno disco star being in Edge of Night of course) and maybe it's easier for guys and they assume if they did gay porn the peopel who may be offended watching the soaps wouldn't even know about it? But still, I don't fullya gree with you--it's still a stigma no matter the talent.

The rumor was a co-star had him fired in his first DAYS role after they found out he did gay porn.

I don't disagree that it's a stigma, I'm just saying if they have the talent and the spark then I think eventually a porn actor can move on to something bigger. It hasn't really happened yet but I think it might someday.