What are you talking about? Lauren has known Amber for years. Amber came to Genoa City because Lauren had talked about it and when Amber was down on her luck, Lauren gave her a job at the boutique. She introduced Amber to Kevin, Jana and Katherine. She threw Amber and Cane a wedding reception when they were married. Lauren should be on that roof. Michael has bailed Amber and Daniel out more times that I can remember so he should be at the wedding also.

I obviously know all that...but when family members aren't at the wedding (Phyllis--initially, Danny, Gina), having Lauren there seemed odd. I assumed her presence there was mostly plot-driven to link to your other point:

They definitely want us to think it is Sheila doing this because she tormented Lauren on a roof, and nobody in their right mind would have a wedding on a roof in November in Wisconson. But it does seem too obvious.

Even just the throwing of the binoculars seemed very "Sheila"

And where is Gina?

Good question. In defense, not even Phyllis was notified...this was all very hasty. Ostensibly the only reason Lauren was told was because of the fashion emergency.

Now yes I am intrigued a bit with the myatery of who is after Lauren and Michael and how Ryder and Daisy are involved as long as this is a genuine story and not some convoluted way to kill off Lauren. I don't want Lauren sacrificed just so we can get new Fishers (Ryder and maybe Daisy) who will be "adopted" by Katherine as yet more family along with Kevin and Amber.

Assuming that Sheila is behind everything, and that Daisy links to that (the way her ears "pricked up" at Trumbles when Lauren got a call about the wedding), Daisy could be a cover name for Diana, Massimo's daughter with Sheila. Could be just a coincidence...but the "Mary" in "Mary Jane" was a clue too...

Edited November 14, 200916 yr by MarkH

I obviously know all that...but when family members aren't at the wedding (Phyllis--initially, Danny, Gina), having Lauren there seemed odd. I assumed her presence there was mostly plot-driven to link to your other point:

Even just the throwing of the binoculars seemed very "Sheila"

Good question. In defense, not even Phyllis was notified...this was all very hasty. Ostensibly the only reason Lauren was told was because of the fashion emergency.

Assuming that Sheila is behind everything, and that Daisy links to that (the way her ears "pricked up" at Trumbles when Lauren got a call about the wedding), Daisy could be a cover name for Diana, Massimo's daughter with Sheila. Could be just a coincidence...but the "Mary" in "Mary Jane" was a clue too...

Well, Lauren's presence there was plot driven because of the gift and whoever is watching everything. She also has played fairy godmother with her gifts of wedding/prom dresses for the past decade, but this is what really bugs me. Why is it more important for Katherine to be there than friends like Lauren or family like Phyllis and Gina? Yes, she is good friends with Amber but she and Amber have barely had any scenes the past 6 months while Michael and Lauren along with Kevin and Jana have been involved in Amber and Daniel's story. There is no excuse for Daniel to have not invited Gina and Phyllis even if it was a rushed wedding. How cheap are they that they can't bring in Gina for a day?

I think you may be right and Daisy is Sheila's daughter, but I don't know how Ryder fits in since Sheila has no sons. I still get this bad feeling that they will somehow make Amber and Kevin related via Ryder and they will all be connected to Katherine in an effort to elevate the Fisher branch of the Baldwin-Fishers (while minimizing the Baldwins) and connect Amber and Kevin more closely with Katherine.

Edited November 14, 200916 yr by lmfan

LAME is not a star couple Y&R, quit trying to make them one.

I know they were popular once, do they still have fans?

More over the top and hammy acting from the overrated Billy Miller.

Someone ask David Tom to come back, please. What's he doing? I can see him at least toning this character down, even with such one-note and lazy writing.

Don't hold your breathe. Billy Abbott may have lost some popularity but Billy Miller hasn't.

It's like 6 months too late for Phyllis to become this interested in Daniel again. Another big problem with the writing on this show. It's like they read comments about beats they intentionally skipped on message boards and then try to make up for them 4 months later, when it's already too late.

I'm actually glad for scenes like this because I forget Daniel is Phyllis's son.

Still not feeling Emily, though Haiduk is great. I do not understand the purpose of this character and I'm not liking Jack obviously being into her this fast.

I actually like Emily, but I like Haiduk playing Patty. Especially scenes she has with Paul. I wish they would give Patty a Micheal Baldwin redemption. The only thing thing that bugs me about Emily is that I feel liek this is the shows way of keeping Haiduk because they don't have the cojones to get rid her after they ruined her character.

Go away Deacon, please. He is another useless character that brings nothing to the show and is completely miswritten from the way he was on B&B. Why do they refuse to trim the obvious fat on this show?

They don't see Deacon as obvious fat on the show.

Oh, great ending with the binoculars! I wonder who that is. And the previews for the Lauren scene on Monday looks good too. Finally, there's something to look forward to.

I like that scene too. I just hate the storyline it's involved in.

I just don't like slapped together and rushed weddings.

It's understandably considering Daniel is going to jail and we're suppose to fear that there is a possibility that Micheal won't be able to bail him out.

I think you may be right and Daisy is Sheila's daughter, but I don't know how Ryder fits in since Sheila has no sons. I still get this bad feeling that they will somehow make Amber and Kevin related via Ryder and they will all be connected to Katherine in an effort to elevate the Fisher branch of the Baldwin-Fishers (while minimizing the Baldwins) and connect Amber and Kevin more closely with Katherine.

I think you're right here. I am intrigued to see how it all connects.

I know they were popular once, do they still have fans?

LAME? Again this week, as every week, they were voted the favorite Y&R couple (with DG and CK as favorite actor/actress) in the SOD poll. It happens every week.

I think you're right here. I am intrigued to see how it all connects.

LAME? Again this week, as every week, they were voted the favorite Y&R couple (with DG and CK as favorite actor/actress) in the SOD poll. It happens every week.

That means they have an active fan base but not that they are really that popular. They do have a following but it seems they have even more viewers who find them very boring. Oh well, give them this lame surrogate story. I can't imagine anyone interested in a Cane/Lily/Mac triangle but I guess they need to give these characters story even if it makes a mockery of their Lily cancer story. Just as long as it is not on five days a week.

I actually dig one aspect of Billy Miller's portrayal, which is his excellent conveyance of self-loathing and frustration with self. He wants to be a better man. He wants to be worthy of Mac. But he can't do it.

I think he likes the idea of Mac, but that's about it.

I think overuse has turned self-loathing into pity parties. I wish they were better at figuring out how much airtime to give characters.

How cheap are they that they can't bring in Gina for a day?

The same cheap that lets Liv be absent while her niece is at death's door.

And where is Gina?

I just wonder if we're going to have the soap press badmouth her, as they have seemingly every single other actor who is phased out or possibly dumped by the show.

The same cheap that lets Liv be absent while her niece is at death's door.

Yep that is ridiculous to. The only time I was moved at all by this Lily cancer story was at the beginning when Neil and Liv were involved.

I have accepted that things for my beloved Y&R will NEVER change it seems. On the verge of giving up this train wreck. Breaking up is hard to do

That means they have an active fan base but not that they are really that popular. They do have a following but it seems they have even more viewers who find them very boring. Oh well, give them this lame surrogate story. I can't imagine anyone interested in a Cane/Lily/Mac triangle but I guess they need to give these characters story even if it makes a mockery of their Lily cancer story. Just as long as it is not on five days a week.

I now fastforward their every scene (Lily and Cane). I haven't done that since Andy and Faren in the 80s.

ETA: And most scenes featuring Brittany Hodges.

The same cheap that lets Liv be absent while her niece is at death's door.

Sadly, so true.

Edited November 14, 200916 yr by MarkH

LOL no matter who is in a scene with Ms. baldy and Cane I hit the FF button. I can't stand it.

LOL no matter who is in a scene with Ms. baldy and Cane I hit the FF button. I can't stand it.

I agree. I still haven't watched the last two weeks and I think I never will. I'll just wait for a few until Victor returns or something.

However,

if Lauren indeed does get killed off in favor of Michael/Phyllis, I'm completely done with the show, again.

If they go that route that might be the straw that broke the camels back for me. Does anyone know when Victor is coming back?

I agree. I still haven't watched the last two weeks and I think I never will. I'll just wait for a few until Victor returns or something.

However,

if Lauren indeed does get killed off in favor of Michael/Phyllis, I'm completely done with the show, again.

To those who are 'intrigued' by the latest 'mystery',think back to how 'intrigued'we were when Mary Jane first appeared,when Sharon started stealing,when Adam injected himself etc.

The follow through is a disaster.

I am over a week behind in viewing and it is an effort to sit down and catch up.

I'm tired of the rushed storylines,horrible characters,drab lighting,sets and costumes,wasted talent.

With viewers fleeing week by week,I am not alone.