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[Mitch64]

God I hated that story. We hardly knew Roxie at that time, and it introduced a nobody character (Kurt was cute and, well, that was it) It also was just kind of skeevy...Kyle Sampson blackmailing Roxie to have sex..the weird old Madame...NuPhillip leering when Rick asked him about prostitutes....it just was weird and as you say, stupid.

[DeeVee]

You are correct, he did leave late April or early May of 1984. TOTALLY agree about how great he and Beverlee were together. One of my favorite scenes of any era of GL was when Alan and Alex remembered protecting each other from their father's abuse. The two of them crushed that scene. I believe that was after Long returned to writing the show. I wish they had delved into that more, but Bernau left a few months later and Pilon never had any rapport with Beverlee. 

Never understood why they brought in a nobody connected to nobody else on the show to marry Mindy in that over-the-top wedding, then sticking them in a boring "marriage vs career" story. (The same exact thing that scuttled Kelly and Morgan). Of course they had to kill him off.

[kalbir]

It's unfortunate that due to real-life circumstances we didn't get MZ Roger vs. CB Alan in the late 1980s/early 1990s. GL had two show-defining villains and sadly so little of the 1977-1980 Roger vs. Alan storylines are out there.

[j swift]

I always remember Warren like Alan, or any number of powerful, yet not conventionally attractive and, smarmy guys on soaps in the 1980s, who still seemed to attract the most wonderful women.  They had tons of unwanted post-coital under-the-covers scenes.  They were the embodiment of Kissinger's quote about power being an aphrodisiac, because those dudes were not cute, and only occasionally charming.  And, gals like Lesley Anne got nothing but heartache out of their pairing.

Was I surprised later to find out that the actor was gay? No.  But, he was always written as having a ton of swagger and always on the prowl.  Both of his major roles were men who wanted to acquire power in order to impress (or control) women.

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[Tisy-Lish]

Didn't Burton also play Eddie Doranz on AMC?  Eddie was a real sleaze ball on AMC, and Kelly Shea was on trial for his murder.  I can't remember who really killed him, but Kelly was innocent..   

[DRW50]

We were talking a few pages ago about this portion of the show being hornier than previous years (or many years after)...this just all seems like being pervy in lack of having any real idea what to do. Even reading about this story in the GL anniversary book I was confused. Who decided that Kyle/Roxie was a good idea, especially in these circumstances? Did they think it would make him look like a rogue?

Eddie Dorrance (I think). He did. That was the role which made him. I think he got an Emmy, or a nomination.

[Tisy-Lish]

He was great as Eddie, and deserved an Emmy (or the nomination), but I never liked his roles on AW or GL.  They were both like Eddie-light, and neither worked for me.  Part of it was probably the writing (on both GL and AW) and part of it was Burton's acting style, which worked well with a total villain, but not so well as a villain with a softer side.  If Burton had gone from AMC to Edge of Night -- now that might have been some good drama.   

[Paul Raven]

This is a major no no- having a new character interact with another newbie. 

New characters have to be anchored with established characters for months before they branch out.

But when TPTB do major cast purges, this ends up happening and many viewers are left wondering who are all these people-where is my connection?

[P.J.]

While there's not enough of Vanessa/Ed (and I mean Maeve and Mart) for me to judge---I think it would've been fascinating to see Vanessa and Rita go at each other. I have never found a scene of Maeve and Lenore interacting, even though they were on for maybe a year together, and Rita realized that Vanessa was snooping into who Alan slept with in Jamaica(?).

[P.J.]

It is. I like Rebecca and Trish.

I think I know what you're referring to--after the oil rig disaster, Vanessa is left to deal with the press, and while she gives a strong, prepared statement, when one of the reporters asks how she identifies with the women who lost their husbands, it kind of rattles her. After, Ross asks her how it went and she cracks a little bit about how she is human. Which is really kind of sweet, as Vanessa had been a bitch on wheels for a lot of the year. 

[P.J.]

I think she overexposed Reva practically from minute one. And then the Lewises really literally revolved around Reva.

The Kyle Sampson story. He literally arrived with a built in entourage that no one GAFF about. Then he ate the town. I hate that they rewrote Billy's parentage to shoe horn Kyle into a family. Couldn't he have been just a businessman looking to takeover Lewis Oil, who used Reva but then they fell in love?

Killing Lujack. Look, I get VI was a hit with the audience. But honestly, enough so that the role was unrecastable? Permanently? Puh-leeze.

Greg was the doctor Rita had a fling with, correct? Which Mark was this? 

[DRW50]

That may be it. Thanks.

[DeeVee]

One of the greatest soap rivalries. Aside being played by two iconic actors, it was so beautifully constructed by the Dobsons and built on by Marland.

Yes, I give him tons of credit for that, he was the only writer besides the Dobsons who really got both characters. Long could write classic Alan stuff (mainly about controlling people in his personal life) but then she'd have him do goofy things like trying to build a bioweapon.

I remember watching the scenes where Kyle humiliates Roxie and wanting to hurl. This is something I have NEVER been able to figure out--why after being treated like this by Kyle did Roxie act thrilled about Reva marrying him? I don't care how much time had passed. It's something that happened a lot on soaps during that time period, where abusive men were turned into romantic heroes, but it was still awful.

It would have been great to see the two of them go at it. Like Reva, Rita came from a humble background and the way she pursued men was at least somewhat mercenary, so Vanessa would have had that as a weapon against her. Rita was no fool and would have been on to Vanessa's machinations. I can't remember if Rita and Hope ever got a major confrontation scene. They should have given Kasdorf a short-term deal to give the story a proper wrap-up. Lots of potentially great moments lost.

Yeah, that was wild. Why build up this character, attach him to a core family, get at least part of the audience on board with his romantic pairing...and then permanently kill him off?

Made total sense that VI wanted to try his luck in Hollywood. They should have anticipated this. They could have had him lost at sea. Or not! They brought back Roger after he fell off a cliff, Reva after she drove off a pier, and Brandon, who was at death's door already when Lucille croaked him.

[DRW50]

I do wish we had more of Rita's actual exit because it seems like so much took place after she left that she should have been there for. Add in the Ed recast and how flat a lot of the Hope/Alan material feels afterward, and I wonder what might have been.

 I think Kobe and Vincent had a bad falling out over his wanting to be in the movie Marie, which is probably why he was killed off.