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Guiding Light, GL

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  • June 30, 1952 - September 18, 2009 on CBS

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Refresh my memory, when Josh and Reva "married" themselves in 2002, did they have an official for them to sign documents after the ceremony or was it only a symbolic wedding?

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3 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

Instead of killing Hillary off, they should have had her go into a coma, with her face severely burned..they could have had the same effect as it was just a plot point in the Susan Piper thing (and Mike couldnt even bother to come to his own sister's funeral...lets see he had to catch a plane at his Mom's funeral, and then he and Hope were in Switzerland for Mo's funeral, but Ed told them not to come home and they didn't..don't expect Mike Bauer to shed any tears once you croak!!) and they could have recast in 6 months to a year. The problem was dykey Hillary had no chemistry with male actors, but she was a Bauer so they should have kept her.

Who would you pair Hillary with? TPTB wanted to free up Jim so he can crush on sister-in-law Anabelle. If Hilary ended up with Fletcher then that affects the Beiruit plot if Fletch isn't paired with Claire.

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How about Veleka Gray (LOL, ATWT) as a recast Hillary? She'd also work as a Hope or Trish recast. With Hillary on canvas you can just plop in a new doctor to pair her with.

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6 hours ago, DeeVee said:

Van and Annie, yes. But Lillian? Who was in her bridal party for her aborted wedding to Kyle? Who dated her dad? WTH?

I can't recall any history of animosity between Reva and Rick. That's...strange.

It took me forever to even think of any history between Rick and Reva--then I remembered he dated her sister. LOL.

6 hours ago, DeeVee said:

I gather that Marland just never knew what to do with her. But unlike Kobe, he had no interest in kicking Bauers off the show.

I'm a little surprised that he didn't have ol' Hill waiting in the wings when Kelly and Morgan broke up. But as Marland seemed unable to focus on anyone other than Nola and Carrie. Most of the other women languish, for lack of a better word.

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35 minutes ago, P.J. said:

It took me forever to even think of any history between Rick and Reva--then I remembered he dated her sister. LOL.

I'm a little surprised that he didn't have ol' Hill waiting in the wings when Kelly and Morgan broke up. But as Marland seemed unable to focus on anyone other than Nola and Carrie. Most of the other women languish, for lack of a better word.

I think by the time Kelly and Morgan broke up Marland was gone.

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10 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I think by the time Kelly and Morgan broke up Marland was gone.

True, but he was already brewing the breakup, with Josh starting to manipulate Morgan and her interest in modeling.

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Who would you pair Hillary with? TPTB wanted to free up Jim so he can crush on sister-in-law Anabelle. If Hilary ended up with Fletcher then that affects the Beiruit plot if Fletch isn't paired with Claire.

That's a good question.

I will never understand why Kobe felt she had to kill off Hillary. Just fire the actress. I don't even think they needed to do the plastic surgery bit. Clark wasn't that popular. In this case, people would have accepted a recast pretty easily, IMO.

I got the impression they had Jim falling for Anabelle because they really didn't know what to do with him once the Dreaming Death story was over and Hillary was gone.

Maybe have the Beirut plot but have Mo and Fletcher missing together while Mo's pregnant by Ed. Ed and Claire become close because they have lost their partners and realize they're in love just as Mo and Fletcher pop back up with the baby. There were other ways to go with this.

That would still leave the not-dead Hillary out in the cold. Yeah, they probably would have had to create a character especially for her, I guess. All the Lewis men were spoken for, Phillip was too young for her (and occupied with Beth and India). I suppose they could have brought in yet another Reardon male for her, but that was played out.

I think that leaves Ross and Justin. Justin was on his way out the door. I definitely could not see Clark with JvD, so Hillary would have to be a different actress. They did have some negative history (he treated her pretty badly during Roger's rape trial) they could have drawn on for some conflict.

It would have been a challenge but I think it would have been worth it to salvage the character because she was a Bauer.

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Most of my GL knowledge is from the history of the show--pre mid 1980s (some years back now I listened to tons of episodes from the radio days--mostly the early 1950s focusing on Meta, and have seen most of the old Youtube episodes.) So I apologize for this question which probably was addressed at some point here.

Watching 90s AMC again, I had forgotten that when Megan McTavish was fired from AMC in 1995, she was pretty much scooped up straight away by GL (given how highly rated most of her early 90s AMC run was, I'm sure that was seen as a coup.) I think she only stuck around for a year and a half before she was dropped--I know that she wrote the infamous Marian Crane/Brent storyline but what are the general thoughts about her run overall? Was there anything good she brought to the show? Her final stories on AMC at that popint were seen as relying too much on gimmicks (doubles, etc)--was this the kind of storytelling she brought to GL as well? (Knowing McTavish and how quickly she switched between shows, I have to wonder if she brought any ideas for AMC over to GL)

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6 minutes ago, EricMontreal22 said:

Most of my GL knowledge is from the history of the show--pre mid 1980s (some years back now I listened to tons of episodes from the radio days--mostly the early 1950s focusing on Meta, and have seen most of the old Youtube episodes.) So I apologize for this question which probably was addressed at some point here.

Watching 90s AMC again, I had forgotten that when Megan McTavish was fired from AMC in 1995, she was pretty much scooped up straight away by GL (given how highly rated most of her early 90s AMC run was, I'm sure that was seen as a coup.) I think she only stuck around for a year and a half before she was dropped--I know that she wrote the infamous Marian Crane/Brent storyline but what are the general thoughts about her run overall? Was there anything good she brought to the show? Her final stories on AMC at that popint were seen as relying too much on gimmicks (doubles, etc)--was this the kind of storytelling she brought to GL as well? (Knowing McTavish and how quickly she switched between shows, I have to wonder if she brought any ideas for AMC over to GL)

She brought some energy to the show again, as it had been moribund for a year and a half if not longer. The Brent/Marian story was offensive but was also very enthralling to watch. Unfortunately that was about it - little of the lighter touches or balance or heart she could have on AMC were on display at GL, leading to a very unpleasant show, one that got uglier and uglier as time passed, everything from rape to drugging to a civil rights hero paying to have themselves shot. Beyond some moments in the Brent/Marian story which had some heart, the only other story which did was the Down's story with Fletcher and Holly.

The "twins by two fathers" story with Blake was entertaining at times.

I'm not sure what she could have brought over, but the pill addiction story or the Down's story I could have seen on AMC.

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Interesting, as I have it on good authority that AMC's Erica Kane's pill addiction story WAS instigated by McTavish (at least the setup/concept) even though her name was off the end credits literally a few episodes before Erica had her fall.

What you say about the tone of the show (and how much the Marian storyline dominated and despite its offensiveness, probably offered most of the compelling material) jives with the episodes from this era that I've seen. Thanks for more details! Was Amish Reva McTavish or right before her?

It's interesting that while McTavish's three runs at AMC all ended up being unrelentingly dark (especially her later runs,) at her best she did seem to have the facility to provide AMC with lighter moments and some heart (Agnes Nixon's involvement as "exec head writer" or whatever the first go around notwithstanding.) and yet, she never seemed to have any of this at her other stints, at least from what I remember of her 18 months at OLTL and what I've read at her similarly brief GH run (of course in both instances she was probably essentially doing what JFP wanted.)

I also find it interesting that, despite a brief break with other writers, pretty soon after GL hired Brown/Esensten hot off The City (which I still think in its final months was a pretty strong soap, so it made some sort of sense to use them,) another ABC writing team known for some outlandish stories (although it wasn't until GL that they started to go sci fi/supernatural as they would on PC...)

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I think by the time Brown/Esensten came along GL was prepared to anything to get some attention and hype.

Hence the Clone. Look demon possession worked for Days, so let's give it a shot!

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1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

I think by the time Brown/Esensten came along GL was prepared to anything to get some attention and hype.

Hence the Clone. Look demon possession worked for Days, so let's give it a shot!

Time travel painting was also under B/E, right?

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3 hours ago, EricMontreal22 said:

Time travel painting was also under B/E, right?

Not sure but I think it was Lloyd'Lucky' Gold was behind that stinker. There was quite a turnover of headwriters and each one seemed to try out some far out story.

Megan was behind the Zachary the Angel story leading up to the 50th but she was fired and they quickly wrapped it up.

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9 hours ago, EricMontreal22 said:

Most of my GL knowledge is from the history of the show--pre mid 1980s (some years back now I listened to tons of episodes from the radio days--mostly the early 1950s focusing on Meta, and have seen most of the old Youtube episodes.) So I apologize for this question which probably was addressed at some point here.

Watching 90s AMC again, I had forgotten that when Megan McTavish was fired from AMC in 1995, she was pretty much scooped up straight away by GL (given how highly rated most of her early 90s AMC run was, I'm sure that was seen as a coup.) I think she only stuck around for a year and a half before she was dropped--I know that she wrote the infamous Marian Crane/Brent storyline but what are the general thoughts about her run overall? Was there anything good she brought to the show? Her final stories on AMC at that popint were seen as relying too much on gimmicks (doubles, etc)--was this the kind of storytelling she brought to GL as well? (Knowing McTavish and how quickly she switched between shows, I have to wonder if she brought any ideas for AMC over to GL)

McTavish made sense with her history with GL (playing Lola, writing for the show) and her "success" on AMC. Brent/Marion...excuse my French but she blew her load on that one and was limp afterwards. I loved B/M and I did not mind the "switching the HIV tests" plot...she could be very "meta" in her first 6 months...the switched tests mimicked the tired and true pregnancy/dna test switches and I loved the scene where Brent unmasks himself virtually to the cops by "The part of Marion Crane is now being played by....BRENT LAWRENCE" as his face morphs like Auntie Em to the WW. She COULD be creative but I think she needed a producer and coheadwriter to reign her in.

But the rest of her time was a dud or poor choices. Brent killing Nadine, which nowhere but for one shock scene, Marcus, who we didnt know getting framed, Holly and Fletch and the downs syndrome baby.. It would have furthered story if he killed Fletch (he could frame Roger and Holly and the rest of the town believes it, except Alan, who manipulates more things to get Roger convicted...Holly going a bit wacko in her pursuit of Roger to get justice turning to booze to asuage her guilt, Ed and her slowly getting together as he knows what it is like to loose and spouse and also go off the deep end..) Family relationships were forgotten, (Bridget stopped calling Ed, "Uncle" and was never in the Bauer sphere, Chelle calling her aunt "Mrs. Chamberline") Alex, who did have funny lines during this time, was just a totaly bumbling shrew..Amanda the Malibu Madame and the twins by two fathers was just "ripped from the headlines" type crap..turning Dinah into a heroine, Roger loosing all his layers and the Lonatrat storyline...Vanessa just sighing away with boring Matt, things played for comic relief when it didnt work (Rick and Blakes one night drunken stand was played for laughs...Rick just screwed his stepsister who is married to the guy who is like an uncle to him, but it all yucksss.)And the tasteless plot of Gilly trying to screw her own dad (of course she doesnt know it..) which wasted both the actress and the actor playing the dad (who could have actually been a black romantic lead...) It all fell apart after Brent, and she floundered..and you could tell she had no respect or love for GL and just seemed to hate to be there..(funny you could see that in the material of a writer.)

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6 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

McTavish made sense with her history with GL (playing Lola, writing for the show) and her "success" on AMC. Brent/Marion...excuse my French but she blew her load on that one and was limp afterwards. I loved B/M and I did not mind the "switching the HIV tests" plot...she could be very "meta" in her first 6 months...the switched tests mimicked the tired and true pregnancy/dna test switches and I loved the scene where Brent unmasks himself virtually to the cops by "The part of Marion Crane is now being played by....BRENT LAWRENCE" as his face morphs like Auntie Em to the WW. She COULD be creative but I think she needed a producer and coheadwriter to reign her in.

LOL. I mostly agree here. I thought McTavish came in strong and her Brent/Marian storyline was fantastic and compelling. It created such a strong umbrella story (which I thought McTavish was usually good at). I thought the Dinah/Roger pairing in the beginning was a good idea (went downhill in 1996). I don't remember exactly if McTavish came in and the idea of Reva in Amishland was her's or given to her, but tying Reva's return into Brent's storyline and her ultimate return with Alex announcing her return at Josh/Annie's wedding was fantastic. Ghost Reva just before in April 1995 was so odd and I still want to understand better how that worked behind the scenes. Did Kim Zimmer just fall back in love with being on GL that she said ok, I'll return full-time... or what?

As others said, once Brent/Marian ended (which I know she wanted the actor to come back so she could rehabilitate him, but the actor chose not to)... but once that ended, she ran out of steam and 70% of 1996 was just awful. Lonatrat, Gilly/Vivian/Griffin fiasco - brutal - and Save 5th Street was just boring. A-Spaulding and Phillip's return was a dud, but I did enjoy Amanda.

But yeah, I don't think McTavish's GL was wackier/over the top than what we got later with the clone and a few other stories.

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