I think they want people to be upset in the moment but not let it linger on. Like Brad's death. We were supposed to feel sad, he saved Noah, this made Sharon go over the edge, and so on, but they made sure there was no long process of grief. Abby was back to grinning soon enough, Colleen was presented as a twit with a chip on her shoulder, and Ashley was unfazed.

They want that moment, the moment of sorrow and reaction to a character being killed off, but they want to make sure viewers don't let the grief hang over them and give them a negative opinion of the show. I think having the Scoobies on was a way to say, "OK, it's sad, time to start moving on."

I guess I prefer that to Kevin and Jana talking about Colleen as their friend. It feels more in character for what they would be.

I completely ignored yesterday's episode. Got home, turned it on in the background and did other things and before I knew it, the show was over. And during that entire span of time, nothing that I heard on Y&R made me sit down to watch. Nothing.

I want Amber gone.

Gloria should take Eden, Kevin and Jana back to the Ashram and reunite with River. Jeffery gets nabbed by the law for some long-ago, off-screen crime and sent to prison for a long time. I then want to see a story with Lauren as the focus and Michael supporting her. Give her something to do involving her son she had with Scott - is he still alive? I miss seeing her on a regular basis.

Does Lauren even know that Colleen is dead? Has she said anything about Traci?

I think Scott is still alive.

OK. I thought so too but they haven't mentioned him in forever (of course we haven't seen much of Lauren for her to even mention him).

Seeing Lauren and Traci at the funeral talking was such a good scene. I was hoping that they might have Lauren visit the hospital. I realize they're not bestest buddies suddenly, but it would still be good to see that....

Nikki's return appearance was horrible. She disappears for weeks, her family is worried about her and it looks as if she's at some spa retreat? WTF? Why hasnt she talked to Victoria and Nick? Why did she leave everyone hanging wondering what the heck happeend to her.

Nikki's return appearance was horrible. She disappears for weeks, her family is worried about her and it looks as if she's at some spa retreat? WTF? Why hasnt she talked to Victoria and Nick? Why did she leave everyone hanging wondering what the heck happeend to her.

She didn't. She wrote a letter and Adam stole it and hide it from everyone.

Does Lauren even know that Colleen is dead? Has she said anything about Traci?

Yes, Lauren did make a comment about what Traci is going through and she expressed sympathy. She also said that she and Fen had been visiting Scott.

To be fair to Nikki, would you assume Nick and Victoria know how to use a phone?

Beth is amazing today.

Die Victor Die!

And I know Adam has become Ashley's rock and after the dialogue today about getting in too deep they are going to try to redeem him. I just don't see how it's possible.

Nice scenes with Katherine and Jill today.

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OK, at least that makes some sense, even if any kind of party at the Chancellors doesn't, Kaye's speech not withstanding.

I wonder what they are going for with Chance/Chloe. Is Chloe going to accidentally fall for him? Or is the idea that Billy really does love Chloe he just hasn't quite figured it out yet?

I have no idea what they're trying to make of Chance/Chloe. MANY people seem to think that they're some hot couple on the horizon. I do not! At the Chancellor barbecue they acted like two buddies rather than potential lovers. I get it that they may not be ready to hit the sheets but Chance continues to baffle me because he doesn't seem to initiate any kind of real affection towards Chloe. Does he want her or not? A nice gentlemanly kiss on Chloe's lips would've looked good but he wouldn't even do that. By the way, I've heard that Chloe actually falls for him. Whether or not HE falls for HER is what I will be questioning.

God, I just hate what the Jill character has been reduced to under these hack writers.

Again, Y&R is so stale, emotion-less, and problematic these days. I can never forgive anyone running this show for the mess it's become.

God, I just hate what the Jill character has been reduced to under these hack writers.

Jill is Shemp to Jeff/Gloria.

Somebody must HATE Jess.

Jill is Shemp to Jeff/Gloria.

Somebody must HATE Jess.

Truly, it's like they make it an intent to destroy the core characters or kill them off, yet people like Amber and Cane are constantly redeemed or made to look like good people.

They're purposely making Jill into some spoiled brat to Saint Katherine, and we know Katherine is no saint. I don't get this contempt for the Jill character. Jess and Jill deserve so much better than writing like this.

This is a way to phase Jill out of the show. I can imagine the horror which the likes of Rauch or Sheffer experienced when they saw that the show had several women who were over 50. So we get, "Yay, Katherine rocks!" as Jill and Nikki are made more and more pathetic and making sure viewers will not care when they are phased out for good. Eileen Davidson is fortunate enough to still be able to be passed off as a young heroine, so they give her stories that are Sabrina leftovers.

yet people like Amber and Cane are constantly redeemed or made to look like good people.

Exactly!

The Cane propping is the worst.

The way Katherine, Jill, Devon, Neil, Nina & Billy were destroyed to "redeem" him was horrible.

They're purposely making Jill into some spoiled brat to Saint Katherine, and we know Katherine is no saint.

And it's not like TPTB are eager to use Katherine that she needs to be made into a saint.

Since her marriage to Murphy the only time she or Murphy get airtime is to prop Amber.

I can imagine the horror which the likes of Rauch or Sheffer experienced when they saw that the show had several women who were over 50. So we get, "Yay, Katherine rocks!" as Jill and Nikki are made more and more pathetic and making sure viewers will not care when they are phased out for good. Eileen Davidson is fortunate enough to still be able to be passed off as a young heroine, so they give her stories that are Sabrina leftovers.

Yet Gloria & her corneas are STILL alive.

I think they just see Gloria as a meaningless plot device. You can't degrade Nikki and Jill that way, they have too much history. I think a number of those at Y&R now also resent the show's history, and since Gloria is really not a part of that history, they are more comfortable using her.