Y&R: Episodes discussion., Week of June 29,2009

[Cat]

I thought I was the only one who felt that way! I suspect we are still a minority on the boards, MarkH, for liking Clementine Ford as Mac. All I hear is how "boring" she is, how "ugly" and "old" she looks. I think I need my vision checked -- it seems like CF has gone the Fraxel route that DaytimeFan recommended! And I'm not going to lie -- I like the way she plays Mac as this timid, reserved and yet honest and direct person.

I usually love Billy Miller, too, but that chapel scene -- oy. Miller looked like he knew he was hamming his way through a mega soap cliché.

Congratulations to Thad and Amelia on the pregnancy! Vamptoria still needs to wake up from the realm of the Undead, though.

I'm sort of pleased Neil is getting some airplay. I was worried after the Karen SL ended that this would be the end for the Winters' screentime. Well, except for Lily. I could do without seeing her be-fringed beak for a while. I'm dreading her "Like, OMG, I am totally buggin' " reaction to the Cane/P3 stuff.

[a2sassy]

Me either. Pages with clips from youtube embedded, I can't see anything past the clip so whole pages don't load if there's a clip on it.

[bellcurve]

I just hope those coke rumors aren't true.

[MarkH]

It is funny because in the Father's Day SOD, Luckinbill specifically said he and Amelia were going to stop at one. (They already have her stepson). So I think this one was a "blessed surprise". See what happens when you make these actors languish on the backburner for too long?

[Y&RWorldTurner]

It's time to recast Victoria and write JT out, From day one of this regime, it's obvious there's no interest in these characters, though Victoria should still be a vital player, just with as stronger actress and better writing.

I know you're a JT fanboi but since there's no investment in this character and it appears his time has come and gone, I think he needs to be added to the "pare down" list of characters that can and should be cut. He's not needed and doesn't bring anything to the overall canvas. And no, eye candy is not a sufficient enough answer, especially when he's never written for.

But maybe Amelia will decide to leave to or something and it will all work out...

[DeeeDee]

Summer may die is horrible.

[DRW50]

There's still so much they can do with JT, if they bother to write for him. I don't think that's true for a number of other characters who have been floating around. They could at least put him in more scenes with Mac, or with Colleen if she is ever recast. JT can go anywhere and he has a lot of history from offcamera.

As for Victoria, she only works when she's written as a strong female character, and as those don't exist on Y&R most of the time now, I don't know if a recast will make a difference.

[rhythmchyc]

Where's Vicboria?

Noah and Nick

Wow, I love this episode. And the flashbacks!!!!

[MarkH]

I'm fine with JT leaving. I agree with Carl's point below, but I have been arguing for a smaller cast--and I think JT is one way to go. While he is eye candy, my enjoyment of JT relates to [ a ] his status as the bad-boy foil during Glow By Jabot, [ b ] his amazing on-screen romance with Fonseca-Colleen, and [ c ] his written history with Mac. I also think he could be a good buddy (nothing else) for Rafe. So, he has fairly solid roots...I'd rather see others go before him, but I'm fine with his leaving if that is needed.

[DeeeDee]

And Michael.

[cara mia]

MarkH! I didn't realize that. Cool. And that makes me think that any writing staff worth its salt should have a psychologist or psychiatrist on call as a consultant. It might help them keep their characters "in character."

I agree that story-wise JT should go, but he's probably the only guy on canvas outside of JM that I find to be seriously hot now that whatshisface is gone. There is a place for eye candy, so before we cut JT can we cut Kevin, Daniel, and Devon first? If Since Lily is going to want to take a break from the lying liar who lies soon, how about JT and Lily? Or how about JT quits Newman and takes a job as the GCAC lifeguard? Or Phyllis decides to change Restless Style into a men's fashion magazine and a new career for JT is born!

[DRW50]

That's all true. I guess my problem with cast culls is I often think they get rid of the wrong people. Those who haven't been on the front or midburner in a long time aren't always those who need to go. I think Y&R could do without Neil, Lily (although I could take or leave her), Cane (although I like him more than most here do), Tyra, Ana, Devon, Mac, Billy, Ashley (if they aren't going to bother writing for her as a character), Daniel (I would only keep him around if MG decides to stay for several years), Jeffrey, Gloria, Kevin, Adam (who is probably on his way out anyway).

If it were me, I would also do what Bill Bell did in the early 80s and start phasing out the Newmans and replacing them with a new core family. At this point I don't think the show would suffer any big loss if Nick, Victor, and Sharon left, although I know this will never happen.

[rhythmchyc]

At least Michael showed up sometime this week. I don't even think anyone's mentioned her and made some lame excuse.

[rhythmchyc]

If the Newman's leave, I bet the Fisher/Baldwins would be centerstage. So, please no.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

This whole show is so wrapped up in over the top plots that its so hard for me to appreciate the performances. Summer's out of the blue coma isn't for emotional family-driven drama, it's to prolong an inane quad and drive this sensationalistic plot regarding Patty Jane and her "revenge" on Jack. I do not like this Summer plot twist, not only does it involve intentional harm done to a child, its impact is nothing more than a plot point for two very hallow and over the top stories, IMO.

Would the DNA lab really give Lily DNA results for a test she didn't take? I know she's Cane's wife, but still, really?

God, they really want us to hate Sharon. Every time she feeds someone this lie about the baby being Jack's, like she did with Noah today, I just can't help but want her ass killed. Like most of everything on this show right now, WHAT'S THE DAMN POINT?!?!

I hate Cane and I know they're gonna feed us some sh!t like how he only scammed Kay and Jill because he never really had a family life. That would be OK if he wasn't such an unintentional arrogant pig. This character is poorly defined and lacks anything resembling a personality. I don't quite see the need to prop him during his "downfall."