Seeing a middle-aged woman and an old, frequently ill woman doing a watered-down retread of a feud which best worked 25 years ago is more depressing for me than a great nod to history.

Seeing a middle-aged woman & an old, frequently ill woman doing a watered-down extremely OOC satirization of Big Edie & Little Edie which never worked at all is even worse.

If the chemistry weren't there, the Jill/K fued wouldn't work. We'll have to see how P3's reincarnation, if you will, will affect them. It may be a retread. But it doesn't mean that it won't be gooooooood soap opera LOL.

Seeing a middle-aged woman & an old, frequently ill woman doing a watered-down extremely OOC satirization of Big Edie & Little Edie which never worked at all is even worse.

That's true, but you'd think there could be a middle ground. Katherine and Jill have a complicated relationship, but I think taking away their blood ties was more about an excuse to reduce them to squabbles (and push Billy/Mac together again) than about reviving their complicated relationship.

If the chemistry weren't there, the Jill/K fued wouldn't work. We'll have to see how P3's reincarnation, if you will, will affect them. It may be a retread. But it doesn't mean that it won't be gooooooood soap opera LOL.

Jess and Jeanne do what they can, but I think the current beat does not work. Jill lashes out at Katherine. Katherine tries to be patient but lashes out in return. Jill shoots herself in the foot.

^^^^Oh,

Neil

finally makes his one day appearance for the month, I see.

Hey at least he gets his one appearance a month and no doubt will be at the family picnic for July 4th. Lauren can't even be written in when her best friend's kid is in the hospital and in a coma. Oh, I forgot MJ is now Phyllis' best friend.

Wow, so much for Y&R honoring the vets, unlike other shows. Just read that Doug Davidson money has been slashed again and they want him to go recurring. Not a spoiler since Doug wrote this to one of his regular fans. We all know what that means. See you for your once a month with Tracey, Doug before you are unceremoniously dumped.

Katherine getting ill felt almost like she was causing a distraction for Cane and it was pretty convenient that Cane had the exact type of vial and color cap wasn't it? Of course, Katherine being ill serves a couple of purposes. Jill will look even worse for yelling at a sick Katherine and it can bring other characters the writers are propping closer. She is 80 and has a history of ministrokes, but they shouldn't play this card too often with Katherine.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by lmfan

That's true, but you'd think there could be a middle ground.

There could be but the main problem is the writing for JILL.

Since TPTB robbed her of her ambition it doesn't work.

Jess and Jeanne do what they can, but I think the current beat does not work. Jill lashes out at Katherine. Katherine tries to be patient but lashes out in return. Jill shoots herself in the foot.

The current beat doesn't work cause of The Scoobies.

Are Lauren and Phyllis really best friends? LOL! I've always thought Lauren just tolerates Phyllis because Micheal's BFF's with her, not because Lauren actually needed to be friends with her. Sure they've appeared close and everything, but I'm willing to bet that should Michael and Lauren seperate and have problems, Phyllis would be the first one being rude and hateful towards Lauren on Micheal's behalf.

Katherine getting ill felt almost like she was causing a distraction for Cane and it was pretty convenient that Cane had the exact type of vial and color cap wasn't it? Of course, Katherine being ill serves a couple of purposes. Jill will look even worse for yelling at a sick Katherine and it can bring other characters the writers are propping closer. She is 80 and has a history of ministrokes, but they shouldn't play this card too often with Katherine.

Pretty much.

Lauren can't even be written in when her best friend's kid is in the hospital and in a coma.

Maybe Lauren will help Paul deal with losing Nikki.

Are Lauren and Phyllis really best friends? LOL! I've always thought Lauren just tolerates Phyllis because Micheal's BFF's with her, not because Lauren actually needed to be friends with her. Sure they've appeared close and everything, but I'm willing to bet that should Michael and Lauren seperate and have problems, Phyllis would be the first one being rude and hateful towards Lauren on Micheal's behalf.

EXACTLY!!!!

Maybe Lauren will help Paul deal with losing Nikki.

Paul and Lauren ON-SCREEN, helping and having real character-based history driven interactions? With this writing team? Nahhhh.

Paul and Lauren ON-SCREEN, helping and having real character-based history driven interactions? With this writing team? Nahhhh.

Touche. :lol:

Hey at least he gets his one appearance a month and no doubt will be at the family picnic for July 4th. Lauren can't even be written in when her best friend's kid is in the hospital and in a coma. Oh, I forgot MJ is now Phyllis' best friend.

Katherine getting ill felt almost like she was causing a distraction for Cane and it was pretty convenient that Cane had the exact type of vial and color cap wasn't it? Of course, Katherine being ill serves a couple of purposes. Jill will look even worse for yelling at a sick Katherine and it can bring other characters the writers are propping closer. She is 80 and has a history of ministrokes, but they shouldn't play this card too often with Katherine.

Of course it's the same color cap and everything. Phillip had to have told Cane in indiscriminate detail about every single DNA testing center in the entire nation and guestimated that Jill and Katherine would choose those DNA centers in that order at those exact moments over the past few years. I'm sure Cane has it in some excel spreadsheet in his fancy Blackberry.

I just realized, how interesting it was for MAB and 'em to introduce

P4

at this time. Everyone's been screaming for Nate to come back for years and we get nothing. People want Scotty back too. I don't think anyone voiced having that character back. Not that it's a bad thing but it's a shame how he's really been out of the audience's frame of mind over the past decade or so and now he'll be frontburner.

I really wish there was a way to bring Scotty and Nate and get rid of all those useless characters, including the scoobies.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by rhythmchyc

That's true, but you'd think there could be a middle ground. Katherine and Jill have a complicated relationship, but I think taking away their blood ties was more about an excuse to reduce them to squabbles (and push Billy/Mac together again) than about reviving their complicated relationship.

Jess and Jeanne do what they can, but I think the current beat does not work. Jill lashes out at Katherine. Katherine tries to be patient but lashes out in return. Jill shoots herself in the foot.

Yep, that's how I see it to. And boy are they making Jill look bad in the process. Shakes head when Billy/Mac are being propped by the Jill/Kay rivalry. Don't these writers get what the fan are interested in and it isn't Billy/Mac.

I am starting to wonder if this Philip III story will be more about bringing on and propping Philip IV played by John Driscoll than dealing with the effect it has on Nina, Katherine and Jill. I am sure they will have scenes dealing with the three but unless they change things soon, I can't believe how little they are using Thom Bierdz after all that hype and him being signed to a 6 mos contract makes one go hmmm.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by lmfan

Truth is that I have never liked Neil. I would have ranked Dru, Mamie, Olivia, Lily, Nate, Devon and Malcolm ahead of him. He is my LEAST favorite of this group, and always has been. Sanctimonious, stuff-shirt.

I liked the Neil that emerged during LML's era, because it was not-Neil. Suddenly he was relaxed (something that extended to his fashion), like music, was a good cook, never complained about Dru's job, and also cooked dinner one night a week--where he kept his family together. (I didn't like his Carmen dalliance, but I'm ignoring that).

So, the only time I liked Neil was when he was not-Neil. This is why I consider it a disaster that he has become the core of the Winters-Barber clan.

The only hope for that clan, IMO, is to re-establish Olivia as the emotional core of that clan (and that means Nate is required...even though I don't want to expand this canvas anymore). In my opinion, there is real potential in the slightly-regal Olivia finding herself attracted to the slightly-less-regal Detective Gil. I feel that this could be interesting, and could establish Gil's extended family as a future family for Y&R. Thus, in my world, Neil and Devon would leave (though I believe Bryton is highly skilled when written for). Devon is near ruination, now, will all of his incestuous leanings.

But Olivia is played by a recurring actress who has no interest in going contract since she is pretty involved in her Toronto film festival and arts commission.

Yep, that's how I see it to. And boy are they making Jill look bad in the process. Shakes head when Billy/Mac are being propped by the Jill/Kay rivalry. Don't these writers get what the fan are interested in and it isn't Billy/Mac.

I'm not sure how I would react to Jill if I didn't have so much history with her, but every time they have her throw a fit to Katherine, I just feel more sorry for her. I keep waiting for her to get the endless chances other characters get.

Billy/Mac are wrapped in their fantasies of the past. What I wonder is if this is supposed to tell us they're not supposed to be together.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by CarlD2

I love the discussion today. It's very sophisticated. Let's keep it up.

Although I do relish typing:

Bringing. Drama. Closer.

But Olivia is played by a recurring actress who has no interest in going contract since she is pretty involved in her Toronto film festival and arts commission.

True...but I have to believe that could change. I am not interested in seeing sanctimonious, hypocritical Neil anchor any family. I enjoy the actor, not the character.