True enough.

Wow. Haven't had a Higley rant in a long time. That felt go-o-o-o-od. Thanks, man!

Meh, screw Higley. Maria sucks, just in a different way.

Meh, screw Higley. Maria sucks, just in a different way.

As Tolstoy said "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

Wow. Haven't had a Higley rant in a long time. That felt go-o-o-o-od. Thanks, man!

Meh, screw Higley. Maria sucks, just in a different way.

As Tolstoy said "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

Obviously, no member of Y&R's writing team read War & Peace. I strongly suggest they do, because they might get a clue on how to write brilliantly for a mammoth quantity of characters (around 580), no less than 5 core families and an equally staggering amount of locations that span across Napoleonic France, bloody battlefields and glittery courts. Not to say anything about the psychology of all those people...

Edited June 27, 200916 yr by Sylph

Y&R and other soaps are not art or even quality entertainment. Soaps are machines that churns out product for a increasingly smaller audience. The days of Doug Marland and Bill Bell are long gone. We are in the age of Pratt & Higley.

Y&R and other soaps are not art or even quality entertainment. Soaps are machines that churns out product for a increasingly smaller audience. The days of Doug Marland and Bill Bell are long gone. We are in the age of Pratt & Higley.

I hear ya...

Y&R and other soaps are not art or even quality entertainment. Soaps are machines that churns out product for a increasingly smaller audience. The days of Doug Marland and Bill Bell are long gone. We are in the age of Pratt & Higley.

Absolutely. I think once I realized there was no turning back from that, and just learned to find something I like or change the channel to the Food Network, my frustration level quickly dissipated. The Era of Greatness is over. Doesn't matter how hard you type or how furiously you post, the tide is not turning. It's sad, but like MarkH has said, I'm just going to enjoy the parts I like and just ride this out until it ends.

Absolutely. I think once I realized there was no turning back from that, and just learned to find something I like or change the channel to the Food Network, my frustration level quickly dissipated. The Era of Greatness is over. Doesn't matter how hard you type or how furiously you post, the tide is not turning. It's sad, but like MarkH has said, I'm just going to enjoy the parts I like and just ride this out until it ends.

I am a believer in Commercial can also be good, if not excellent. Hence my frustration.

As Tolstoy said "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

A lot of people think we criticize the show because we hate it. Do they think we would do it this often if we didn't care?

Edited June 27, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Absolutely. I think once I realized there was no turning back from that, and just learned to find something I like or change the channel to the Food Network, my frustration level quickly dissipated. The Era of Greatness is over. Doesn't matter how hard you type or how furiously you post, the tide is not turning. It's sad, but like MarkH has said, I'm just going to enjoy the parts I like and just ride this out until it ends.

That's a good to way to see it. I don't see MAB leaving at all. Just like Bradley Bell will never leave B&B. I think they will end this shows on their own.

I am so glad Heather had time to have sex before Estella's arraignment. No wonder she rarely wins a case.

Edited June 28, 200916 yr by jcar03

She would.

Chloe wants what she can't have.

She did the same thing with Cane.

As ridiculous as the plot was she was still driven by the baby, as it was explained anyway.

You are.

The problem with Chloe is she wants all of Billy but Billy doesn't want all of her.

Exactly

Chloe told Billy that she & Delia were a package deal & can't deal with the fact that Billy won't change into a Perfect Prince Charming.

She's manipulative but the need for him to change is very much "driven" by their daughter. For herself, she wants him to change the way he feels about her, not necessarily change himself

She wouldn't.

Chloe is too headstrong for that.

maybe

Chloe herself has said she loves Billy but she doesn't always like him.

That's the entire gist of their relationship.

To me: she's tryna manipulate the different shades of his personality. On Chloe's watch there is a time for party/ fun- worry free Billy and then when she wants him to be tender loving Billy (which he isn't to the extent that she needs him to be) this is a conflict in their dynamic. She lacks self knowledge and respect. She's willing to let the man roam, there are just more rules as to whom he should roam with (of course she seems to have figured out that won't work). She seems to be willing to compromise with some parts of him to gain the other but of course his heart is not into it that way. Dee I think I can respectfully disagree with you slightly on this

Not really.

Chloe wants to play house.

Chloe doesn't get Mackenzie & Lily cause she doesn't want to deal with the fact that Cane is Cane & Billy is Billy.

Her infatuation is her problem.

She can't deal with Billy beyond her projection of her issues onto him.

Chloe needs to be with someone who will be what she needs instead of what she wants.

I agree again

For those of you tired of my "negativity", good news, after this inane Phillip reveal as to why he faked his death, I've decided I'm done with this show. I won't be watching past August. After keeping up past the disastrous Latham regime, I only thought things could get better, but that wasn't the case for very long. So, after 18 years of being a loyal viewer, I'm done with Y&R. I might watch the occasional episode here and there and I'll definitely keep up with the spoilers, but I can't take this lazy/horrendous storytelling anymore. This isn't the Y&R anymore, it's some other show, have fun watching those of you who enjoy it and will continue on no matter how bad it gets.

It won't change my hopes of wanting better writers and producer for this show, I'll always wish for that. But if it's not meant to be, it's not, I'll deal.

Edited June 28, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

For those of you tired of my "negativity", good news, after this inane Phillip reveal as to why he faked his death, I've decided I'm done with this show. I won't be watching past August. After keeping up past the disastrous Latham regime, I only thought things could get better, but that wasn't the case for very long. So, after 18 years of being a loyal viewer, I'm gone with Y&R. I might watch the occasional episode here and there and I'll definitely keep up with the spoilers, but I can't take this lazy/horrendous storytelling anymore. This isn't the Y&R anymore, it's some other show, have fun watching those of you who enjoy it and will continue on no matter how bad it gets.

I'm sad to hear this, but I understand. I did it with with Days in 2008. Kicking and screaming the whole way. I did NOT want to quit after 28 years, but I was so harsh, and it was just so terrible, and it was just causing me a lot of heartache. (Not to mention the other post-ers who were sick of me bitching about how bad it was all the time... and the hour every day I wanted to throw my TV out the window, followed by several hours of bitching to people about it both online and in person.)

I'm glad you'll still be around here though, A. At least, I hope you will be.