Ugh, Billy Miller and his teeth grinding

Yes!

CE's heart doesn't really seem into them. It's like he's just sleep-walking now, in his final week.

Engen's a good actor but his limitations are clear.

He looks hella lost.

Those scenes with Estella I think were supposed to be a lot more powerful, but the actress playing Estella and the guy playing Rafe are W-E-A-K.

Braeden, Davidson & Scott WAY too calm.

That scene shoulda been moving much faster.

So, now Victor and Nikki have known Rafe since he was almost a baby. They're really trying hard to make this retcon work.

PLEASE, end Billy and Mac already! These two actors share NO CHEMISTRY and this story was botched from the start and was being rushed.

Cane and Lily are their usual boring self.

The gaslighting story is boring me, I don't care for it anymore. It could have been so much more interesting. I love how Estella mentioned the box she brought over the other day, and they all conveniently overlook that. And um, Ashley, it you hate it so much at the Ranch and all these things are happening to you there, GO BACK TO THE ABBOTT MANSION! It's dumbing down characters like this that piss me off.

As usual, Cast, Cooper, and Walton are the shining stars of this episode, and of this entire show. The story is ridiculous and stupid, but these women can sell anything.

Oh, and Lisa Connor sucks, I was not impressed with her script and her episodes have generally been clunkers.

I thought the actress who played Estella did just fine (What's her name?) I think what was wrong with the scene was the blocking and no overlapping dialogue, and like Dee Dee said, too much CALM. I thought Yani did OK.... but he needs to step it up a bit, he needed to show more emotion, or maybe he's supposed to be the more strong, silent type? He's not really had enough to properly judge... I'm sure in a week, we'll be able to see how he does. Of course, as long as he doesn't SUCK.... he can skate by on his looks, and I'm GOOD.

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And um, did Adam refer to Ashley as Victor's "wife?" Maybe I missed something, but when did Victor and Ashley remarry? Or is that yet another lazy mistake?

Lisa Connor sucks.

I thought the actress who played Estella did just fine (What's her name?)

Anne Betancourt.

I don't know; I'm catching up with the episodes of the previous two weeks and they are not half as bad as I thought they would be. All these comments about how it sucks prepared me for the worst, and it actually ended up being okay (not good, but okay).

I thought the actress who played Estella did just fine (What's her name?) I think what was wrong with the scene was the blocking and no overlapping dialogue, and like Dee Dee said, too much CALM. I thought Yani did OK.... but he needs to step it up a bit, he needed to show more emotion, or maybe he's supposed to be the more strong, silent type? He's not really had enough to properly judge... I'm sure in a week, we'll be able to see how he does. Of course, as long as he doesn't SUCK.... he can skate by on his looks, and I'm GOOD.

Yeah, I really felt it was a script writer/director issue. Those scenes should have been flying fast and furious - but everybody seemed to be on Xanax for the day.

Anne Betancourt.

Thanks, I thought she did good today.

Yeah, I really felt it was a script writer/director issue. Those scenes should have been flying fast and furious - but everybody seemed to be on Xanax for the day.

And the thing is, Mike Denney directed today, and usually, that man walks on water. The scenes OTHER than the ranch looked great, and felt classic. Just the ranch living room scene seemed stilted somehow. And the scene from Friday's eppy, where Nikki screams at the baby head falling to the floor... that was missing from today's "replay" of the scene. Maybe Melody really is leaving and she was letting things slide.

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I'm telling you, Kay did not look surprised in the LEAST when they found out about the casket being empty. Damn, but that woman's hiding something. Soemthing tells me there's gonna be a twist in this that will be EXPLOSIVE.

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And the thing is, Mike Denney directed today, and usually, that man walks on water. The scenes OTHER than the ranch looked great, and felt classic. Just the ranch living room scene seemed stilted somehow. And the scene from Friday's eppy, where Nikki screams at the baby head falling to the floor... that was missing from today's "replay" of the scene. Maybe Melody really is leaving and she was letting things slide.

Yeah, the Chancellor stuff flowed quite naturally. Hell, even Billy/Mac reminiscing had a "flow" to it.

I wonder how much of the Newman stuff was off-camera tension. CE wanted out. MTS in negotiation hell. Two fairly new Y&R actors trying to dodge the politics. And EB... just being EB. LOL!

The story is ridiculous and stupid, but these women can sell anything.

Cooper, Walton & Cast are awesome.

They're so good they don't even need dialogue.

I thought Yani did OK.... but he needs to step it up a bit, he needed to show more emotion, or maybe he's supposed to be the more strong, silent type? He's not really had enough to properly judge... I'm sure in a week, we'll be able to see how he does. Of course, as long as he doesn't SUCK.... he can skate by on his looks, and I'm GOOD.

Yani seems hesitant which is mainly TPTB's fault for not giving Rafe enough to do before now.

That hair has to go though.

ETA: LOL! "We both know it was more of an anti-Brittany Hodges vote than a pro-Mac Browning vote" Where's MarkH?!

Damn this paying job. It will be HOURS till I see this.

ETA: The pacing in these scenes at the ranch is really off. The dialogue seems really really stunted. Like "I talk now, and next you talk, and after you talk, this person talks" I would have preferred a much more chaotic, voices-overlapping kind of scene.

I think you've all diagnosed this...Engen's final days.

See I'm still the opposite. I'm still loving Engen on a daily basis.

Those scenes with Estella I think were supposed to be a lot more powerful, but the actress playing Estella and the guy playing Rafe are W-E-A-K.

Yup. Yani is weak right now. I mean, his claim to fame is Hillary Duff movies. But he's young and cute, and THAT is the basis for his next part of the story. He needs to be a little clueless and opaque, no?

So, now Victor and Nikki have known Rafe since he was almost a baby. They're really trying hard to make this retcon work.

Well, Rafe's been around forever. He went to Walnut Grove with Mac and Billy and Raul and JT and *ugh*Brittany*ugh*. A scholarship student. I guess his aunt was working for Miguel at the time? Or was she the concierge over Miguel?

You know why this doesn't bother me? Because for YEARS under LML I had to sit around to Nick and Victoria talk bullsh!t as they made up memory after memory after memory. I was "there". None of it happened. Since domestics apparently have always been off-screen at Newman (e.g., Veronica Landers and the staff Victor fired last August), this is a small one for me to bite. Hitherto, we know there are always off-camera domestics, so they can be dragged out at any time.

That hair has to go though.

SO. BAD.

I really don't understand WHY they do that to him. He has great hair in the non-Y&R pics I've seen. I know theyr'e worried he'll seem too young, but there is a middle ground between Mad Men and Grunge Model.

And EB... just being EB. LOL!

Braeden looks lost too.

The Sabrina debacle took a toll on him.