I don't know I've always thought of death, funerals, memorials, and anniversaries more as days of rememberance and celebration of life. Besides the show now seems to have the Cassie angle for deep, sad, rememberance o they needed that balance today....

Sort of OT: but did you all see the Brenda Dickson EVICTION video?

http://brendadickson.blogspot.com/

Poor Brenda. What a shame for her. I loved, just loved when they kept saying "Make sure you have all medication you may need."

:lol:

But again, it's a shame what has happened to her.

Oh please, Memorial Day is considered the unofficial start of Summer and the BBQ season, so there was nothing tasteless about that. Lots of people hold parties and get-together's on this day, and they did acknowledge it in the toast. This is the least of the show's problems.

Man, they've really got to get rid of Tyrant. I hate the way they're propping that character, and the way Eva Marcille talks to everyone like they're retarded and how her eyes pop out when she tries to convey any emotion.

Man, they've really got to get rid of Tyrant. I hate the way they're propping that character, and the way Eva Marcille talks to everyone like they're retarded and how her eyes pop out when she tries to convey any emotion.

Yeah that's very err distracting. Today wasn't her worst scene but that is saying very little. Her facial expression barely ever or infact never matches the dialog will someone please tell her that.

They started as a result of an affair, not a good foundation to start a relationship on. Their relationship was and still is very sexually driven, but that of course wears off after a time. There's only so much sex can do to save a marriage/relationship. I never got the deep kind of love in that relationship that I get from Nikki and Victor, for example, no matter how dysfunctional their relationship is.

It's just fanbase talk...

They were f-ck buddies, nothing more, and I kind of understood it. They used each other and sex to escape their problems, it was never anything emotional. The same can apply to Nick and Phyllis on a much grander scale. Nick might love Phyllis, but she isn't the love of his life and he doesn't have the emotional commitment to her that he has to Sharon.

Man, they've really got to get rid of Tyrant. I hate the way they're propping that character, and the way Eva Marcille talks to everyone like they're retarded and how her eyes pop out when she tries to convey any emotion.

Pretty much!

Ashamed? They acknowledged it in a toast. Plus, who doesn't party on memorial day. Most people don't even remember the true reason other than a 3 day holiday. There is a mention tomorrow, plus we had grieving Cassie today. I'm giving TPTB a break for this one.

For sure. I liked Murphy's toast and at least Y&R Memorial Day. I don't think any other soap mentioned it. So kudos to Y&R for this.

Tomorrow's US episode is very good too - loved the Jack/Billy, Adam/Ashley and Nina/Jill/Katherine scenes.

I think she's sub-par at the moment. I don't think she's feeling the material.

Eileen Davidson is normally one of the best actresses in daytime. To be honest though, Engen & Braeden are carrying her ass in this story. This is back to the througline problem. We know Ashley was once crazy for Victor. Then we saw her evolve and move on. Now she's supposedly crazy for Victor (once again) but we never saw why. It's just stupid for Ashley to stay in the house when she can move in with Jack until the pregnancy is done. The only way it makes sense is for Ashley to be so starry-eyed over Victor that she would rather risk insanity or death then be away from him for even one night. Hell, Vail Bloom is doing a better job of selling that kind of passion for Adam than ED is doing with Ashley for Victor.

Does anyone else think the chemistry with Victor & Ashley is gone? Or is just being upstaged by the creepy crawly Oedipal thing between Adam & Ashley? I always thought of myself as Victor/Nikki fan that still appreciated the pull of Victor/Ashley. Now it seems like Victor & Ashley are so false together and only come to life with other people.

I normally don't ff through any part of the show, but I am going to start FFing the Winters. It's just painful to watch.

Eileen Davidson is normally one of the best actresses in daytime. To be honest though, Engen & Braeden are carrying her ass in this story. This is back to the througline problem. We know Ashley was once crazy for Victor. Then we saw her evolve and move on.

No we didn't, even when Ashley was with other men, she always claimed Victor to be the lover of her life. She always dropped everything she had going for herself to go back to Victor. It's a sick relationship, but Ashley has never gotten over Victor.

Yeah that's very err distracting. Today wasn't her worst scene but that is saying very little. Her facial expression barely ever or infact never matches the dialog will someone please tell her that.

i loved her outfit though*

i just can't wait to see Jack and Billy's scenes tomorrow.

*This statement in no way represents any inkling of support for this horrible actress/character

I never said Ashley stopped loving Victor. But she used to CRAZY about him. Then she seemed to get her sanity back (at least on B&. Now she's CRAZY again. I think we needed to see why the relationship has such a hold over her and not just told that it does. With MTS/Nikki, I get immediately how Victor gets under Nikki's skin and why she would dump a great guy like Paul in a second for Victor. I am not seeing this with ED/Ashley.

I never said Ashley stopped loving Victor. But she used to CRAZY about him. Then she seemed to get her sanity back (at least on B&. Now she's CRAZY again.

Ashley is ALWAYS crazy about Victor, even when they're off in separate spheres. Even at B&B, they acknowledged the pull Victor always had on her and still has on her. I remember the scene when Ridge and Ashley were trapped on the closet, they both acknowledged that Victor and Brooke always pulled them back, even when they knew it would probably always end in disaster and how this vicious cycle was probably never going to be broken.

I think we needed to see why the relationship has such a hold over her and not just told that it does. With MTS/Nikki, I get immediately how Victor gets under Nikki's skin and why she would dump a great guy like Paul in a second for Victor. I am not seeing this with ED/Ashley.

Ashley always takes back Victor back when he comes looking for her. She'll never learn, it's a dysfunctional and emotionally abusive realtionship, but it's a cycle that Ashley has never been able to break.

Edited May 26, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

You are taking about the writing for Ashley. I am taking about ED's performance. I am sorry but the soul burning passion is NOT there right now. I've seen it in the past. When she was pregnant with Robert, for example. Right now though, it's not there.

You are taking about the writing for Ashley. I am taking about ED's performance. I am sorry but the soul burning passion is NOT there right now. I've seen it in the past. When she was pregnant with Robert, for example. Right now though, it's not there.

This storyline has been a horrible showcase for Ashley, she's just a minor plot point in it, and I hate it. This storyline is squarely about Adam and Victor. Ashley is playing a very thankless role in it. I'm not getting Ashley's point of view at all.

Edited May 26, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

To be honest though, Engen & Braeden are carrying her ass in this story.

Eileen is really strong in this story.

She & Engen are carrying Braeden.

Now it seems like Victor & Ashley are so false together and only come to life with other people.

Victor/Ashley came way too soon after Victor/Sabrina & Eileen is way too strong for TPTB.

even when Ashley was with other men, she always claimed Victor to be the lover of her life. She always dropped everything she had going for herself to go back to Victor.

Not always.

But Victor will always be the love of Ashley's life.

Which Nikki just loves.