Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Sabrina, Tyra, and Ana however - are not. MAB shouldn't be teaching any writing class. She ignores her flaws and they end up becoming bigger problems than they should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Did she create Sabrina, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yes, she did. Sabrina was created by MAB, and has the markings of EVERYTHING MAB. The love of art, fashion, and the European background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I can see why people wouldn't think his return is awesome when they don't know the story yet, or don't know if it's him. They're better at bringing people back than writing good story for them. I know of all the fanfare when Eileen Davidson returned, but I still don't think this story is anything but Ashley in Sabrina's place. There's a chasm at the moment between the ideas they have and how these ideas are executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Well she started writing officially for Y&R on Dec. 26 and Sabrina debuted Feb. 28, so I'll give her some slack for Sabrina as her hands were VERY full when she started. Also, Josh Griffith should take some of the blame for her too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I don't know how I feel about the P3 story yet personally. I think it has some major holes, and I don't quite get the pressing need to bring back P3 from the dead after 20 years. I wonder how much acting Thom Bierdz has done recently although I know he was well loved when he was a young man. I know Tricia Cast is a good actress, and that helps. We have seen one quick scene of Thom Bierdz, so I can't say if bringing him back is awesome or will hurt the historical importance the character and his death had two decades ago, but I will give it a try. This story has the potential to be good, but it also has the potential to be a major bust. Mark is the ratings guru. I do know that the highest rated storyline under LML was the Sheila as Phyllis story which heavily featured Lauren, Michael, Paul and Pheila. Not saying it was a quality story, but it did get high ratings. Michael and Lauren'e wedding also brought in high ratings to, but they had a big event wedding which draws in an audience. So while I don't think any character brings up ratings since it is an ensemble, I don't think them getting a story will have a detrimental effect on the ratings either. Frankly, individual character don't raise ratings. Hopefully, good and consistant writing will no matter who is featured. I equated Michael and Lauren with Jill and Katherine with the fact that Jill and Katherine were wasted under other writer's regimes, not that I think they are as important as Jill and Katherine. I do think they are more important to the show than other characters that are getting story consistantly though. I agree about Mac. I thought the timing was all wrong to bring her back from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I don't think the cat is real and today is definitly Clem's best episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Is that because she was interacting with other characters? I think they should put her in more scenes with other characters she had a past with like Kevin, maybe JT, Katherine and see how she works with them. I would prefer they explore Billy and Chloe for awhile before forcing a pairing that is not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Exactly. If it really is Philip III and he sticks around this could change the structure of the corporate type stories in a major way. Philip could bring CI to the forefront and go up against Victor/Jack/Adam or whomever. He has the potential to take the show into the next generation, which is going to have to happen at some point in the next few years. EB isn't going to live forever. OR this story could really, seriously fall flat on it's ass and make zero sense. I guess we'll see soon enough. I wish we knew TB's next air date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 i've never seen people WANT to like a character as much as people want to love Mac! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I really really do and today I did. I pray she can keep it going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 OMG. Some posters just put you on their sh*t list for encouraging "historgasms". You don't get it, Cashton! No no no! (Just joking. We think with one brain on this issue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 We have just spent five previous weeks and more talking about how Maria Arena doesn't know how to introduce "new" and new characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 What is more, she is inconsistently bad at her introduction of the characters... At times, it takes months to even see anything with the new characters, supposedly because they are being integrated slowly (which translates to MAB's mind: We never see them!) and at times, she throws them relentlessly into story, 5 times a week the moment they join. Bad, and bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Really? you think MJ was poorly introduced? Mac was, but it's not MABs fault, it's Clems. Murphy is universally liked and he was introduced fine. The new/returning character introductions (save Tyra and Anna) have been seemless, IMO. And again, Tyra/Anna were more casting flops than character flops. Rafe was brilliant and modern. Aunt Virginia was a casting coup and even made people care about Devon which is a Herculean task. Just because a few people don't like something doesn't make it law. There's a whole legion of fans for Lane. Your opinion is important cause i like you guys, but not the only opinion nor the populist opinion either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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