Another World

[amybrickwallace]

I bet it was! I found it satisfying just from that one episode.

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Edited October 10, 2021 by amybrickwallace

[vetsoapfan]

When Rachel was married to Russ Matthews, he finally lost his patience with her atrocious behavior, took her over his knee and spanked her like a disobedient child. That was satisfying too, but when he did it, Russ was stone-faced, methodical and restrained. When Alice went after Rachel physically, she was totally out of control, and might have literally broken Rachel's neck, which...I was kind of hoping to see, LOL.

[amybrickwallace]

I'm sure a lot of people were.

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[TVFAN1144]

I probably have an unpopular opinion but I sometimes rooted for Rachel because of her upbringing.  Yes she was a bitch in the early days but the women on this show were so “uppity” like Alice Lenore Pat Liz.  They treated her like trash even after she reformed and was with Mac

[amybrickwallace]

I don't doubt that, either, and I bet that Agnes Nixon's writing was very multidimensional. She created Rachel, so she wouldn't have been just the bad girl.

After all these years, Nancy vs. Tonya in the ice skating world is still a benchmark of "good girl" vs. "bad girl". Tonya has many fans precisely because she's a scrapper and had to claw her way up from the wrong side of the tracks. In some ways, not unlike Alice and Rachel - just that the blond was the "bad girl"!

[Vee]

This was deliberate for both Agnes Nixon (at every show she reused the archetype, from AMC to LOV) and Lemay. Lemay points it out in his book when he singles out the audience for rooting for Rachel, even before he took over, for going after what he wants - specifically the Black audience.

Edited October 10, 2021 by Vee

[FrenchBug82]

I can't imagine anyone would ask her straight-up. 

I have to imagine - and I think the timing bears that out - it may have been out of osmosis - maybe subconscious - with Charles Keating.
These things do happen when you spend a lot of time with someone. It would be ridiculous if she had made this as a conscious acting choice for Rachel but it may have been something that came up out of doing a lot of work with him.
Just speculatin'. It is not just her accent: her acting style definitely changed in the last eight-ish years of the show along with her accent and her styling.
Her affect became very much very wealthy woman joining a pot-smoking commune where they meditate and spend hours talking about the artistic value of a rock
I don't know VW personally but watching her social media leads me to the conclusion that basically for the last few years she just played Rachel as a weathier version of herself.

[amybrickwallace]

You're probably right, because I don't think she spoke like that until Rachel was paired with Carl. I certainly wouldn't be brave enough to ask, either.

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[Nicholas Blair]

Bill Bell's writing for Leslie's nervous breakdown on Y&R was actually more believable than Lemay's for Alice. The two breakdowns happened about the same time, and some of the magazines had stories about this coincidence, especially since Jacquie Courtney and Janice Lynde were high in the reader polls at this time. Leslie Brooks had always been written as a gifted concert pianist who was shy and awkward socially, and played as such by Janice Lynde. When she opened up to a romantic relationship with Brad (Tom Hallick) and then seemed to be losing him to her sister, it's not implausible that Leslie could have had a breakdown.

"Muted catatonic grief" seems like something Jacquie Courtney could have played very well. Muted grief is how she played Alice when she ran away to New York and met the Carringtons.

Lemay more or less brags about how he disliked Courtney and Reinholt from the beginning, mentioning a Christmas party where he ignored the two of them while spending all his time with his new BFFs on the show. I don't have the book to check the exact names, but I believe this would have included Nicolas Coster, Susan Sullivan, Victoria Wyndham, and a few others.

 

[amybrickwallace]

Doug Watson, Constance Ford, Beverly Penberthy and Irene Dailey.

[chrisml]

I caught a Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour playlist on youtube, and I see they have a lot of AW actors: David Oliver, Mary Page Keller, Kim Morgan Greene, Rick Porter, etc. I was aware of their characters even if I hadn't seen them. However, Tom Wiggin was introduced as being from Another World. I had no idea he was on the show. Did he play an important character or was he one of those 80's AW characters who drift in and drift right back out?

[j swift]

I have vague recollection that David Oliver invested in the company that produced the first college guy calendar.  In the 1980s it became a huge trend, which obviously peaked with the Chippendale's calendar and the teen pop movie Campus Man; which was based on their story.  However, as I remember David Oliver was one of the original investors, and the campaign came out of the USC marketing and business department students.  I know McGinley is a few years older than David Oliver, but they were both Trojans, and USC has a long history of students who began successful businesses while matriculating, including everything from cookies to real estate.

Edited October 10, 2021 by j swift

[watson71]

Tom Wiggin played Gil Fenton.  He was introduced as Felicia's chauffeur and debuted on the same episode as Linda Dano's Felicia.  He was involved with Felicia for awhile, then dated Julia Shearer.  He worked for Frame Construction and disappeared from the show sometime in 1984.

[chrisml]

Thank you for the info. I figured it had to be something like this since I had never read anything about him being on the show. It's amazing to me how much talent AW squandered in the eighties. 

[watson71]

At one point, Gil's mom and dad were also introduced in 1983- Marie and George Fenton.  Marie worked at Smiley's as a waitress with Maisie.