1 hour ago, ScottyBman said:

I am going to change gears slightly, I am watching AW 1981, it is summer and the writer's strike is in full gear.  Denny Hobson has been hired by the Blackhawk Group of which Petronia Paley works.  But what struck me was that Jamie Frame is kidnapped, they thought it was Sandy and one of his kidnappers is a young Ed O'Neil who later became Ed Bundy and then Modern Family.  It took me about 3 episodes before I realized it.  Ed is from Youngstown, OH where I have called home for the past 25 years.

The last great moments of 1981. After this, the show just fell apart.

On 9/29/2019 at 5:35 PM, Donna B said:

While she was at it she tried to get them to make her the star appearing above Victoria Wyndham's name. Meanwhile Ellen Wheeler had been ready to come back in & play both parts for just ages! At the very end of the show she played a Marley who was taller than Vicky! Now, of course, Jensen has really screwed things up by having a serious accident & a DUI, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

And, before anything else happens, JFP fired Barbara Berjer for being too old, aka over 50. (Same for David Hedison.) I don't know how much it meant at GL for Barbara Berjer to be fired but at AW, she was always there to take care of Vicky's two boys!

On 9/19/2019 at 6:33 PM, allmc2008 said:

Where is the AW bible?

 

On 10/9/2019 at 7:35 AM, AbcNbc247 said:

The last great moments of 1981. After this, the show just fell apart.

 

I'm curious in what sense it fell apart. This is well after the expansion to 90 minutes and the spin-off of Texas, both of which are discussed as the beginning of the end. Was there a major change in the writing or in the cast that made the wheels come off?

18 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

 

I'm curious in what sense it fell apart. This is well after the expansion to 90 minutes and the spin-off of Texas, both of which are discussed as the beginning of the end. Was there a major change in the writing or in the cast that made the wheels come off?

 

AbcNbc247 was speaking of 1981 .... so, looking at other dates, Doug died May 1989 & Connie died Feb. 1993 ...

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Someone asked where the AW Bible is.

 

It is in the Publications Section of the AWHP. It's easy to find once you land in that section.

Edited October 11, 20196 yr by Donna B
Draw a line.

Interesting: just saw a credit crawl for the show in 81 when Lawrence Konner and his wife were head writers. They had five script writers who never wrote for daytime again. One (Mark Rosenthal) went on to great writer success in hollywood alongside Konner..

Edited October 11, 20196 yr by RavenWhitney

8 hours ago, Xanthe said:

 

I'm curious in what sense it fell apart. This is well after the expansion to 90 minutes and the spin-off of Texas, both of which are discussed as the beginning of the end. Was there a major change in the writing or in the cast that made the wheels come off?

That's just what I think. When I watched the 1981 episodes on YT, overall I enjoyed them. I didn't like that Rachel suddenly had feelings for Mitch and left Mac for him, especially after everything they went through the previous year, but there were a lot of good stories at that time. But I always felt like after the hostage crisis was when everything just got so boring and the stories just got stupid.  Restarting Rachel/Steve/Alice with a fake Steve and a fake Alice, Clarice getting raped by Jerry, Jamie's book. I wasn't a fan of any of that.

 

L. Virginia Browne was headwriter in the first half of 1981, but sometime during the year, it might have been during the strike was when Corinne Jacker came in and just ruined everything. She was a playwright, not a soap writer and it could have been Rauch's attempt to find a new Lemay for the show. I'd love to find what was going on behind the scenes during this time. I know CJ was quoted in saying that she hated working on the show, but my question is why? Was there behind the scenes turmoil or was she just an egomaniac that thought she was better than soaps?

Edited October 11, 20196 yr by AbcNbc247

10 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

 Clarice getting raped by Jerry, Jamie's book. I wasn't a fan of any of that.

 

What?!?  Jerry rapes Clarice?  I am still at the hostage stuff.  Mac just got shot....

3 minutes ago, ScottyBman said:

 

What?!?  Jerry rapes Clarice?  I am still at the hostage stuff.  Mac just got shot....

Sorry. Didn't mean to spoil it for you.

No worries. It happened in 1981. All talk is fair game. I like the relationship between Sandy and Jamie. I am guessing Cecile destroys it. 

12 hours ago, ScottyBman said:

 

What?!?  Jerry rapes Clarice?  I am still at the hostage stuff.  Mac just got shot....

Jerry out of no where became a schizophrenic. I must warn you the rape is painful to watch. 

14 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

That's just what I think. When I watched the 1981 episodes on YT, overall I enjoyed them. I didn't like that Rachel suddenly had feelings for Mitch and left Mac for him, especially after everything they went through the previous year, but there were a lot of good stories at that time. But I always felt like after the hostage crisis was when everything just got so boring and the stories just got stupid.  Restarting Rachel/Steve/Alice with a fake Steve and a fake Alice, Clarice getting raped by Jerry, Jamie's book. I wasn't a fan of any of that.

 

L. Virginia Browne was headwriter in the first half of 1981, but sometime during the year, it might have been during the strike was when Corinne Jacker came in and just ruined everything. She was a playwright, not a soap writer and it could have been Rauch's attempt to find a new Lemay for the show. I'd love to find what was going on behind the scenes during this time. I know CJ was quoted in saying that she hated working on the show, but my question is why? Was there behind the scenes turmoil or was she just an egomaniac that thought she was better than soaps?

Who is CJ?  The show was terrible at this time.  The big down fall that last lasted for about the next 7 years until the robust of characters and Harding Lemay in 1988 for only a few months.  

21 minutes ago, denzo30 said:

Who is CJ?  The show was terrible at this time.  The big down fall that last lasted for about the next 7 years until the robust of characters and Harding Lemay in 1988 for only a few months.  

 

CJ = Corinne Jacker

20 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

 

CJ = Corinne Jacker

 

Corinne Jacker was a disaster, wasn't she?

 

That year, (1981) Ms. Jacker’s career took a different turn when she became head writer for the NBC soap opera “Another World.” But she quit after one season. “I hated it,” she told Mr. Wishna.

 

On 10/10/2019 at 7:52 PM, Donna B said:

 

And, before anything else happens, JFP fired Barbara Berjer for being too old, aka over 50. (Same for David Hedison.) I don't know how much it meant at GL for Barbara Berjer to be fired but at AW, she was always there to take care of Vicky's two boys!

 

I hope that both Jensen & Zimmer can both pull themselves up out of the deep holes they're in. It would be too much to imagine that they could work again, although Zimmer has worked some in theatre.

Watching Wednesday's Chicago PD

Edited October 12, 20196 yr by Donna B
Corinne Jacker, dated

 

On 10/11/2019 at 6:12 AM, ScottyBman said:

 Mac just got shot....

Over 10 years since I first saw the episode and I still can't believe that Al Bundy shot Mac Cory lol

 

13 hours ago, ScottyBman said:

I like the relationship between Sandy and Jamie. I am guessing Cecile destroys it. 

I liked their relationship too. Cecile does scheme a little, but actually it's Jamie who messes up his and Sandy's friendship the most.