They did. Her name was Lynn Marie Latham.

Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.

(Like I said, MarkH, you're not the only one with an expensive college education. )

That's a beautiful quote! Who wrote it. Oh, dear. It's Shakespeare, isn't it?

Actually, my education was CHEAP! All public/state schools, and all funded by scholarships and assistanships. I'm a testament to the North American dream! Working class kid, son of a Chrysler employee. That's why the "pretentiousness" claim (which I accept...I can see how that might have come across) just scandalizes me. Because that is the last thing in the world I ever want to be...

It is also why I miss the "humble roots" characters, and it is part of why I so love the Fishers, Baldwins, and Amber Moores.

It scandalizes me, because I don't think anyone should feel the need to dumb themselves down. There is no such thing as a $5 word in the internet age. Google is free.

That's a beautiful quote! Who wrote it. Oh, dear. It's Shakespeare, isn't it?

T. E. Lawrence (i think)

See, i went to the college of Google Search

:lol: :lol:

I still think having Sheffer as co-HW is one of the problems. I see his work in Billy and Victor and I think it's one of the reasons both characters are putting me off at the moment, because they are both very unpleasant characters, there are few layers to them, and there's no one around them who even comes close to being a strong scene partner.

Thank you, thank you, THANK. YOU. Sheffer always talks about giving soap guys their d**ks back; and with characters like Billy and Victor, he's certainly done just that.

I think they brought Mac back to try to give Billy more depth but it's not working so far. The story has made me like Chloe, so perhaps this was the point all along, who knows.

And I think they brought back Mac with the hopes of restarting the Billy/Mac relationship. That's why they also reversed Kay-is-Jill's-mom. (Well, that, and people plain just didn't like the idea.) Unfortunately, though, I think this latest go-round, between a "Billy" and "Mac" who, IMO, have zero chemistry, will be the one to finish this relationship for good.

Billy should be what Jack was to the show back in the 80's, but somehow the writing isn't there. Billy Miller is fine, but comparing Billy/Chloe to Jack/Patty/Diane/Lindsey etc., somehow the stakes don't seem as high and the emotional involvement not as great.

ITA.

I give ALL the credit for Y&R's turn around to Sheffer. MAB was horrendous before. The show was boring and her Sabrina/Victor love was yucky. Whatever problems Hogan has brought is overshadowed by Y&R finally being interesting and having story pace once more. Kudos to Hogan.

I give ALL the credit for Y&R's turn around to Sheffer. MAB was horrendous before. The show was boring and her Sabrina/Victor love was yucky. Whatever problems Hogan has brought is overshadowed by Y&R finally being interesting and having story pace once more. Kudos to Hogan.

Exactly.

We could fix Billy-Mac in one episode...maybe two.

Billy goes to visit Lily for some contrived reason. He finds her on that damnable ladder, trying to change a lightbulb, but she can't reach.

Billy says "I can change a lightbulb", climbs up, tumbles, and lands on his head.

He has a terrible concussion, and is in a coma.

Mac finds out, runs to the hospital. Her defenses down, she weeps bitterly and confides all the feelings she has been suppressing for Delia's sake.

It is wracking, heaving sobs...totally heartfelt emotion. Billy hears none of it, but maybe Chloe does.

Then Billy awakes, no worse for the wear. Mac goes back to her suppression, but now we all know. Also, having articulated her feelings, Mac's eyes from now on betray her emotions.

Fixed it.

Why have Jana and Kevin never had a sex scene?

Because, they know our gag reflexes can take only so much abuse.

Then Billy awakes, no worse for the wear. Mac goes back to her suppression, but now we all know. Also, having articulated her feelings, Mac's eyes from now on betray her emotions.

I like your idea, but we already do know. It's pretty obvious Mac stayed for Billy. Plus, as Chloe pointed out, Mac didn't slap him

until she got her kiss. Loved that Chloe/Mac scene!

Because, they know our gag reflexes can take only so much abuse.

There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many places to go with that line....

T. E. Lawrence (i think)

See, i went to the college of Google Search

:lol: :lol:

I got my Master's there. But I was too lazy to "make it to class" this morning.

It scandalizes me, because I don't think anyone should feel the need to dumb themselves down. There is no such thing as a $5 word in the internet age. Google is free.

Word. And I learn something new on this board all the time so keep up with the hig-brow posting! It is thanks to sheilaforever (and TGVN) that I can drop "egregious" into everyday conversation now.

And I think they brought back Mac with the hopes of restarting the Billy/Mac relationship. That's why they also reversed Kay-is-Jill's-mom. (Well, that, and people plain just didn't like the idea.) Unfortunately, though, I think this latest go-round, between a "Billy" and "Mac" who, IMO, have zero chemistry, will be the one to finish this relationship for good.

IA. Mac was brought back to reconnect with Billy. I am biased, though, and as a (new) Billy Miller fan, I do think the actor works hard to draw out as much chemistry as he can from his screen partners. The kiss Billy gave Mac on Tuesday gave me a few goosebumps, but I'm fully aware that it was because Billy was holding her face and doing the kissing. Perhaps if AshBash had come back as Mac, it would have been more impactful?

I do think he has more chem with CF than Hendricksen, though. I love EH and Chloe a ton but I don't see the pash between her and Billy.

Yeah, I don't remember anything with [Khalil and] Graziadei that was too graphic, unfortunately.

Which totally explains why Daniel had to go online to get his proverbial rocks off, doesn't it?

Which totally explains why Daniel had to go online to get his proverbial rocks off, doesn't it?

:lol: :lol:

That story would've totally worked if Daniel wasn't depicted as being a simple horndog. If Lily wasn't giving it away, it would all make sense!

Thanks Khan. I feel better about LML now LMAO.

I do think he has more chem with CF than Hendricksen, though. I love EH and Chloe a ton but I don't see the pash between her and Billy.

They definitely are two devils in a pod.

Maybe Billy's been so loose cause he's actually the one who's on the DL. Overcompensation much?