Members aMLCproduction Posted February 14, 2009 Members Share Posted February 14, 2009 I think if GUza would have been given time he and the show would have found its groove He left after 6 months. THat was SUBE problem. Too many HW's in a span of 3 years, they had i think 4 HW's, Guza, Bennet and Whitsell, and Depriest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaytimeFan Posted February 14, 2009 Members Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yeah, NBC just wanted to kill it. I was a big SuBe fan...it was like any of Aaron Spelling's great prime time soap fests but 5 days a week. Lesley Anne Down, Sarah Buxton, Eddie Cibrian, Kathleen Noone....terrific fun cast. And I agree, I thought Meg Bennett was the best HW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted February 14, 2009 Members Share Posted February 14, 2009 SuBe never found its groove to me, I don't think it ever quite knew what it was supposed to be. Was it supposed to be a daytime version of Melrose Please? Was it supposed to be a late 90's version of Santa Barbara? Was it supposed to follow the pattern set up by JER's DAYS? The show never quite knew what it was to me. SuBe was strangely popular in the UK though, and received unusually high ratings for airing in the daytime. But I always thought UK audiences saw the show as more of a sitcom than an actual soap. I also always thought it was a poor man's Santa Barbara without the core family aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaytimeFan Posted February 14, 2009 Members Share Posted February 14, 2009 I'd agree with that assessment. It didn't find it's groove...but I think it was like, as you say, a poor man's Santa Barbara. Basically, Santa Barbara according to Aaron Spelling. I have an old pal who lived in London from the late 90s till 2003 and she said that SuBe was definitely viewed as being 'ridiculous and hilarious' and that it was still must see TV. LAD experienced a renaissance of publicity thanks to the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Toups Posted February 14, 2009 Author Administrator Share Posted February 14, 2009 I agree. I loved SuBe but the show never had an identity and didn't know what it wanted to me. It had no vision. I also think having no big family hurt the show - daytime soaps are suppose to have big families. "Melrose Place for daytime" - yeah, I can see why it only lasted 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members denniel Posted February 15, 2009 Members Share Posted February 15, 2009 I have some really basic questions about breakdown vs script writing. How can one tell who writes the show breakdowns and script? Don't some writers pen scenes for certain characters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 Some shows, like Y&R, specify the breakdown writer and scriptwriter in the credits. Some shows just list the script writer for a particular episode, like ABC does (though they list all of their breakdown writers together). No, where did you hear this? One breakdown writer is usually assigned to craft an outline for a specific episode, and the scriptwriters take that outline and writes the dialogue for the characters. In very rare cases, breakdown writing can be a collaboration though, as can scriptwriting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 Until JHC eliminated the breakdown position in 2008, AMC used to credit that day's breakdown writer and script writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 He left to write GH that December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aMLCproduction Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thanks Sinclair. Why ould he leave a show he help create? Was it his sole decision or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Toups Posted February 16, 2009 Author Administrator Share Posted February 16, 2009 GL: no episode SW listed (boooooo Ellen Wheeler!!) ATWT: last writer listed is the episode SW B&B: last writer listed is the episode SW DAYS: last writer listed is the episode SW GH: name above Elizabeth Korte is the episode SW OLTL: name above Carolyn Culliton is the episode SW AMC: writer who's listed by themselves is the episode SW Y&R: (this is a bit trickier) After the Kanelos/Minardi Slater/Milstein list: - if there's a name under Amanda Beall, it means Amanda wrote the episode breakdown ,and the writer underneath Amanda is the episode script writer - if there is a name above Amanda Beall, it means Amanda wrote the episode script, and the writer above her wrote the episode breakdown - if there is only one writer listed, they wrote the episode script, and either Kanelos/Minardi Slater/Sheffer wrote the episode breakdown - if there are two writers listed, the top writer wrote the episode breakdown and the bottom writer wrote the episode script (note: Eric Freiwald & Linda Schreiber are always listed together; they only write scripts) If I had it my way, every soap would list their episode breakdown and script writer. They get their assignments and then go off and write the episode. They don't get to pick and choose what characters they write for. But sometimes writers do get assigned to specific characters if "they get" the characters better. I believe Guza was fired about 6 months in....not 100% sure though since I was "newbie" to behind-the-scenes movements back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dan Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 I know that Ellen had all the time in the world to change it (and that Conboy for a time DID change it, even if he didn't do so in the end credits), but the person to blame is Paul Rauch. The show credited each script writer for YEARS until 1997 when Rauch first came on. I know that Ellen had all the time in the world to change it (and that Conboy for a time DID change it, even if he didn't do so in the end credits), but the person to blame is Paul Rauch. The show credited each script writer for YEARS until 1997 when Rauch first came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 But c'mon, Wheeler doesn't even have proper end credits for her show. She relies on those squeeze credits provided by CBS and when the shows are put on the net, they usually end with the title card and never anything crediting the actors/writers/directors/producers. Surely to God it can't be difficult to credit your own BTS staffers(and stars) incase the shows are ever rerun in syndication. I mean, she makes everything else in Final Cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boldfan01 Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 I just noticed that Kathryn Foster directed today's episode of B&B. Is this the first work she's done since leaving DAYS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted February 16, 2009 Members Share Posted February 16, 2009 I noticed that the online credits never appear. I do believe it is a cost saving issue. While it might only be a little $$ each day (to keep track of everyone and type up the title cards), obviously it is an expense they have chosen to save. It does make me wonder if they have discounted online viewership, and if they have given up on ever being a viable international commodity again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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