3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

They may not have a lot of options, even with Trump. 

 

I think Obama had a lot of bad luck in geopolitical events, and I think racism made foreign leaders more willing to ignore or belittle him. The only real criticism I had of him is I think he just never really got the base connection that would have stopped some of the bigger gaffes like going to the UK and telling voters, in so many words, that he'd be flushing them down the toilet if they didn't do what he wanted on Brexit. That wasn't what he meant, of course, but that seemed to be how it came across to many over there. I think he did mean well and had a lot of smart plans and was ultimately just somewhat frozen by exactly what to do in an increasingly unstable world. I'd love to say Hillary would have been better, but with Hillary we'd likely be lurching toward a nuclear arms race with Russia. And then of course there's Trump...

 

Anyway, have any Republicans spoken out about the last few days, or gone to any airports or anything? What about those "thoughtful" Republicans who are going to be "a thorn in Trump's side," like maverick McCain and media darling Marco? Or are they mostly just hoping we'll ban anyone from Cuba?

so far 4 republicans have spoken out against it. the majority in DC have, from what i have read, [!@#$%^&*] down the telephone service and their email service. NOW they don;t want anything to do with what Gilligan has done. but they were all for it until they realized..."this man is truly a childish little boy who is letting Steve Bannon run the country."

@DRW50 Yeah, something tells me that Obama had absolutely no influence over the Brexit decision, either way.  Especially since there had been a concerted effort over decades, to build up resentment in England toward the European Union.

 

People like Boris Johnson used their access to the tabloids to write vitriol about the EU and the ECB for at least 20 years.

His anti-EU feelings found a kindred spirit in UKIP and an all out misinformation campaign began. By the way, one of the key backers of 'Brexit' (known as the godfather of Brexit) has bragged about exchanging ideas with Trump, once telling Trump that facts were "white noise" and that "emotions rule". 

I don't believe anything Obama said, negative or not, was going to have any impact on a 20 year anti-EU campaign that had clearly taken root.

Edited January 29, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

12 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

@DRW50 Yeah, something tells me that Obama had absolutely no influence over the Brexit decision, either way.  Especially since there had been a concerted effort over decades, to build up resentment in England toward the European Union.

 

People like Boris Johnson used their access to the tabloids to write vitriol about the EU and the ECB for at least 20 years.

His anti-EU feelings found a kindred spirit in UKIP and an all out misinformation campaign began. By the way, one of the key backers of 'Brexit' (known as the godfather of Brexit) has bragged about exchanging ideas with Trump, once telling Trump that facts were "white noise" and that "emotions rule". 

I don't believe anything Obama said, negative or not, was going to have any impact on a 20 year anti-EU campaign that had clearly taken root.

 

I don't think it was his fault by any means. I just mean that politically speaking it was very tin-eared, so I used it as an example of him losing some touch with the base of politics. Obviously he had to show support for Cameron, so I guess he thought he should be very clear, but I think it gave extremists more of an opening to seem populist and such.

In period of 7 days, Trump's twice managed to mobilize thousands of Americans against him across the USA. Something's happening out there.🇺🇸

— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) January 29, 2017

@DRW50 Yeah, some things are better left unsaid sometimes.

 

Meanwhile there are several situations as several airports including:

 

Dulles,

LAX

SFO

 

With sit-ins and other protests currently ongoing.

11 minutes ago, Vee said:

In period of 7 days, Trump's twice managed to mobilize thousands of Americans against him across the USA. Something's happening out there.🇺🇸

— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) January 29, 2017

 

I'm glad she stuck to her guns instead of being one of the Republicans who went with quicker paychecks. 

I just wonder if the momentum can continue or if people end up exhausting out. Seriously I think much of the country was looking forward to not having the daily dose of Trumplestain. IMO it wore out long before the end of the campaign season.

Edited January 29, 20178 yr by JaneAusten

I stand with the people gathered across the country tonight defending our values & our Constitution. This is not who we are.

— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) January 29, 2017

"Shanda" means "shame" in Yiddish. Usually used to describe a Jew bringing shame on the Jewish ppl #MuslimBanprotest #JFKTerminal4 pic.twitter.com/wh6vGU9Uxk

— Charlotte Alter (@CharlotteAlter) January 29, 2017

1 hour ago, Khan said:

Jesus, take the wheel, because the S.O.B. is about to start a holy war.

Seriously. The only question here is which country will we be at war with first. China, Russia or some of the Arabic nations. I know people think he's buddy buddy with Russia, but the man is erratic and completely unstable. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he and Putin are at each others throats a year from now.

Edited January 29, 20178 yr by Juliajms

Lawyers I've been on the phone with are saying that immigrants still detained in NYC are being pressured to sign away their long-term status

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) January 29, 2017

Confirmed: Officials at Dulles are directly violating a federal court order and refusing to let detained people speak to lawyers. https://t.co/JxCQ4hruy3

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) January 29, 2017

To her credit, Jennifer Rubin is also suggesting someone invoke the 25th Amendment.

 

WP on the situation.

Edited January 29, 20178 yr by Vee

This is new:

 

Senior GOP aide told me tonight: "We are getting tired of the chaos." Declined to put name on record. News will be when GOP folks go public.

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) January 29, 2017

Edited January 29, 20178 yr by Vee

35 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

I just wonder if the momentum can continue or if people end up exhausting out. Seriously I think much of the country was looking forward to not having the daily dose of Trumplestain. IMO it wore out long before the end of the campaign season.

 

I think people can carry on like this for a while, but I worry about when the crackdowns start - against the press, and with authorities against protesters. I think the only reason it hasn't started in more earnest as of yet is because Trump and Bannon are so disoraganized and abrasive. That's one of the reasons I'm so wary of Pence, because I think he would be able to do these types of things more efficiently. 

Let them try. The reaction to this is unlike anything I've ever seen in America, including anything from the Bush years. The social media age is a different game. You can either worry or you can fight.

 

From an acquaintance:

 

LAX update: protestors are focusing on pressuring the airport to let the lawyers into see the detainees. I spoke to one of them and she told me that some of the best immigration lawyers in the country are working on this and having no luck and getting totally stone walled because this is so unprecedented and vague and blatantly illegal that it defies a logical argument.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Let them try. The reaction to this is unlike anything I've ever seen in America, including anything from the Bush years. The social media age is a different game. You can either worry or you can fight.

 

 

True, although people said that about the Arab Spring as well.

 

I hope people are protesting outside Paul Ryan's office. He should be ashamed, especially as he loves to speak as the moral voice of America when it suits him.