The Politics Thread

[DRW50]

 

[DramatistDreamer]

Once again, women’s voices are being dismissed in the media, down to the very end. And we’re only the ones who are voting in higher numbers.  Please don’t dismiss VP Harris’ words to disqualify Trump but lend a hand to his voters. She’s the one running, can we remember that? Also, can we remember which presidential candidates once threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans in the middle of a crisis which was costing lives? Which candidate wanted to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland?

Can people try to keep perspective for a few days? This is not entirely about media, actual people and their chaotic attention spans bear some responsibility for the fact that so many are so ill informed at this late stage. 

[Vee]

 

[JaneAusten]

We should be used to this. Many men are always dismissing us, whether it's the dismissal of our own rights, to thinking we are a bunch of empty headed nothings, to equating us to baby machines and not really caring about what we think. So much progress, so much misogyny still. The media is still run by white men and while women are represented, how often do we hear our issues. Women normally outvote men in early voting by around 5%. We are outvoting men at this point by 12%. I suppose there will be an excuse as to why this is so good for Trump also. We outvote men in every election, but somehow not important enough to hear. 

 

We should be used to this shouldn't we?  Those we believe are allies also ignoring it but we know why. Because it's women, it's just not a serious issue.

[DramatistDreamer]

It’s still infuriating, to say the least.

[JaneAusten]

Yep

Here is the thing also. If things are going so well for Trump?

1. Why the red wave polls?

2. Why the election rigging narrative

3. Why the rigging of the market betting indicator like Polymarket, which by the way, no one in the US can use.

Campaigns confident they are winning don't have to do this.

That clip you posts from PBS about social media says it all.  Letting social media put people into a panic when it's really only the extremes that are there constantly and their voices amplified. Anyone who is there should disconnect for their own mental health or narrow your view of what's there, which you can't do completely anymore.

Edited October 30, 2024 by JaneAusten

[Vee]

Like I said: She got a gimme out of it. The media was obsessing over whether she would be 'forced' to stick by or divorce herself from Joe for months, he (inadvertently or not) gave her an opening to do it in the cleanest way possible without being driven by gotcha interviews. It also keeps the PR mess in the news. In the end it's a positive for the campaign IMO.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2024 by Vee

[Marco Dane]

Biden just needs to shut up until the Election is over. He's not helping...

[Vee]

 

[janea4old]

as it says above:
Voting experts have long warned that comparing voting rolls to DMV data is not a reliable way to find non-citizens on the rolls because there may be paperwork errors and people can become naturalized after getting their driver’s license. The plaintiffs in the lawsuit said they had identified several people who were in fact citizens but had their registrations wrongly canceled.  Over 1600 voters were removed from Virginia's voting rolls, including some citizens who were born in Virginia.
Federal courts had ruled that the voters needed to be restored, so the State(Commonwealth) of Virginia took it to the U.S. Supreme Court, asking that the restoration be stopped.
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Update Wednesday October 30:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/30/supreme-court-virginia-voter-registration

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Virginia does not have to restore the registrations of 1,600 voters, some of whom appear to have been wrongly removed.

The Virginia attorney general, Jason Miyares, a Republican, praised the U.S. Supreme Court’s action, saying it would “keep noncitizens off our voter rolls”.

Virginia, which is predicted to vote for Kamala Harris this fall, provides same-day voter registration, allowing anyone who was wrongfully removed to re-register at the polls.

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My response to the above:
With six days to go, how will they reach all those voters who were wrongly removed, to tell them to go vote anyhow with whatever documentation might be needed?  Hopefully the lawsuit has a list of everyone and how to reach them.

Edited October 30, 2024 by janea4old

[janea4old]

This explains what Joe Biden said and didn't say regarding the racist comments by  the presenters at the Tr*mp rally -- A confusion due to an apostrophe:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/29/joe-biden-puerto-rico

In the typed text of Biden's speech:  he said
supporter's
not supporters.
But when spoken aloud, it sounds the same.

Biden said regarding the Trump rally in New York:
The only garbage I see is his supporter's (his supporter's garbage)

Biden didn't say:
The only garbage I see is his supporters (the people who support him)

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And then Biden issued this statement afterwards:
https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1851436643498037614
"Earlier today I referred to the hateful rhetoric about Puerto Rico spewed by Trump's supporter at his Madison Square Garden rally as garbage—which is the only word I can think of to describe it. His demonization of Latinos is unconscionable. That's all I meant to say. The comments at that rally don't reflect who we are as a nation."

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Edited October 30, 2024 by janea4old

[janea4old]

When Hillary Clinton said "basket of deplorables"
(at an LGBT campaign fundraising event in New York City on September 9, 2016), 
she was indeed talking about people and not attitudes, but still, 
she specifically said that applied to only HALF of Trump's supporters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables

Note the last paragraph is bigger and she talks about the well-meaning people who support Trump, the ones we have to understand and empathize with:

Quoting Hillary from 2016:

I know there are only 60 days left to make our case – and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time". We are living in a volatile political environment.

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

End quote.

Edited October 30, 2024 by janea4old

[DramatistDreamer]

Where I live has a sizable Puerto Rican population and the MSG rally comment is still getting a LOT of attention.

[JaneAusten]

Between the celebrities, that clip went out to 450 million instagram followers. If only .1% of them are of Puerto Rican heritage, that's 450,000 people.

[Soapsuds]

They need to vote! There can be attention to it but if they don't vote why be angry.

As Michelle said....Do something! Vote!!