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If it stands (which I am not convinced it will) it's a win for Harris too. It would be almost impossible to crush him with the same impact twice - the media would hyper-grade on a curve to try to recreate some sort of comeback narrative.

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8 hours ago, janea4old said:

We can mock the insanity, of course.

I have seen several musical memes about the eating pets statement.
I saw one that was set to the the music soundtrack of Peanuts/Charlie.Brown/Snoopy TV specials.

But racism isn't funny. at all.  I just cannot.

I think that the memes tend to "normalize" or "lighthearten" racism, even if unintentionally. 
Especially if these memes are spread on tiktok without context.
Or if the meme-maker's total motivation is to be trendy and get clicks.

Context matters.  Of course it was great that Kamala laughed at him on the debate stage!

I've been thinking a lot about this today, and I agree. 

Eating dogs and cats sounds absurd and funny at first.  Then, you realize he is taking a page out of the basic racist playbook.  In order to enrage his base, he is using xenophobia against Haitian immigrants to distract people into voting against their best interests.  I mean, it is easy to see the similarities between this and Willie Horton, or any number of disenfranchised citizens who've been used for political gain. 

And while we all make jokes, we forget that this is exactly what worked in prior generations when fascists have tried to gain control of governments.  We can't let our guard down and ever underestimate this man or the forces that want him to win.  They have packed the courts, and they've packed local election boards.  And they don't care that we all laugh at him.

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8 hours ago, janea4old said:

We can mock the insanity, of course.

I have seen several musical memes about the eating pets statement.
I saw one that was set to the the music soundtrack of Peanuts/Charlie.Brown/Snoopy TV specials.

But racism isn't funny. at all.  I just cannot.

I think that the memes tend to "normalize" or "lighthearten" racism, even if unintentionally. 
Especially if these memes are spread on tiktok without context.
Or if the meme-maker's total motivation is to be trendy and get clicks.

Context matters.  Of course it was great that Kamala laughed at him on the debate stage!

I feel like the whole thing is a trap a lot of Democrats have fallen into. I don't mean debunking the smears and lies - it's only right to push back - I mean the memes and jokes, doing comic remixes of Trump, and a clip I saw earlier today of people at a Walz rally in Grand Rapids chanting "we don't eat cats." Given how high the stakes are for this election it's disappointing to see that type of response.

Republicans are very good at flooding the zone. With the time spent on these "jokes," and on combating the racism and xenophobia on display, and the usual conspiracies about ear pieces, Trump is protected through the brief bump that the winner can get from a debate.

9 hours ago, janea4old said:

This is from NYMag's latest website headlines, so maybe this is what @DRW50 is now referencing?

"Is the Entire World Conspiring to Make It Look Like Trump Lost the Debate? An intriguing theory by Matt Taibbi."
Taibbi's post-debate column amasses suspicious evidence of media collusion

-- a piece by Jonathan Chait, for the "Intelligencer" part of nymag.com
in which Chait is writing about what Taibbi said.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-lost-debate-matt-taibbi-kamala-harris.html

I was referring to the tweet which made sure we knew Republican evildoers were plotting for Harris. I'm not going to say a good word about either of those men, but it feels very deliberate. 

The Taibbi article is fine (even though I'm not a Chait fan, to say the least), but again the framing of the article feels very pointed in another direction.

3 hours ago, j swift said:

I've been thinking a lot about this today, and I agree. 

Eating dogs and cats sounds absurd and funny at first.  Then, you realize he is taking a page out of the basic racist playbook.  In order to enrage his base, he is using xenophobia against Haitian immigrants to distract people into voting against their best interests.  I mean, it is easy to see the similarities between this and Willie Horton, or any number of disenfranchised citizens who've been used for political gain. 

And while we all make jokes, we forget that this is exactly what worked in prior generations when fascists have tried to gain control of governments.  We can't let our guard down and ever underestimate this man or the forces that want him to win.  They have packed the courts, and they've packed local election boards.  And they don't care that we all laugh at him.

They are throwing out every racist smear they can find. Here, and against Harris, and against Linsey Davis (as *gasp* they were in the same sorority). As this is generally a racist country, they know what sticks.

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18 hours ago, DRW50 said:

New York is giving the game away about their Trump support. I guess that Nouzzi article wasn't clear enough.

 

6 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I was referring to the tweet which made sure we knew Republican evildoers were plotting for Harris. I'm not going to say a good word about either of those men, but it feels very deliberate. 

The Taibbi article is fine (even though I'm not a Chait fan, to say the least), but again the framing of the article feels very pointed in another direction.

 

Oh!  I see now.  NewYork magazine's Intelligencer ("nymag.com/intelligencer") 
had two tweets/articles posted less than 2 hours apart.


I thought you meant this one with Chait's piece:

 

 

but actually you were referring to this one --
which was within a post on this thread, slightly above your comment,
and I had missed it:

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They're trying so hard, but nothing is sticking outside of the dead-ends.

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