3 minutes ago, marceline said:

 

Hilary has already taken responsibility. She just hasn't taken ALL of the responsibility. Nor should she. There's plenty of blame to go around. And again, if it weren't for the electoral college she would've won. She got more votes. If we ran our elections like every other civilized country on the planet we wouldn't be in this [!@#$%^&*] show.

 

As for Pence, the Russia investigation is already splashing all over him but regardless, look at the idiocy we saw from Trump during his overseas trip. Pence may be a christofascist but even he wouldn't have wandered away from Netenyahu in the middle of a press conference because he was sundowning.

nobody alive can be blamed for the electoral college

Just now, OLTL #1 fan said:

nobody alive can be blamed for the electoral college

 

Actually they can. The electors could've changed their votes.

Just now, marceline said:

 

Actually they can. The electors could've changed their votes.

you're not supposed to go against the wishes of the voters in that state; actually HRC ended up losing more electoral votes than Trump did

2 minutes ago, OLTL #1 fan said:

you're not supposed to go against the wishes of the voters in that state; actually HRC ended up losing more electoral votes than Trump did

 

You're not supposed to but that doesn't mean you can't. The EC was ostensibly created to keep an unfit person out of office. (Although really it just turned out to be affirmative action for flyover states but that's a different debate.) This is the second time a popular vote loser was handed the presidency so let's not pretend that the EC isn't a broken system. 

1 minute ago, marceline said:

 

You're not supposed to but that doesn't mean you can't. The EC was ostensibly created to keep an unfit person out of office. (Although really it just turned out to be affirmative action for flyover states but that's a different debate.) This is the second time a popular vote loser was handed the presidency so let's not pretend that the EC isn't a broken system. 

except everyone knows that the EC is the only one that means anything and why did HRC never step foot in Wisconsin? she lost a lot of rust-belt states that have been traditionally Democratic

All those people who believe that Dumpster Fire Donny can actually turn back time and Make Coal Great Again are in for some disappointing times.

Corporations have already calibrated, retrofitted and adjusted their companies for the greenhouse gas lowering regulations that the EPA put in place years ago. They are not going to undo all that.

 

More states and businesses realize that wind and solar energies are building viable industries and creating jobs and that's not going to change. It's only going to expand.

 

In fact, I recently read about a coal plant that had put solar panels on its company headquarters. 

 

To save money, Kentucky Coal Museum turns to solar panels

 

If that's not a sign that solar and wind have genuine benefits, I don't know what is!

 

Just like with the ACA (AKA Obamacare), people have already adjusted to the reality and it's a fantasy to think that people, corporations and states legislatures will throw all the benefits of this away for an idea whose time has already come and gone.

 

Stop snorting the covfefe and get real, Donny.

 

6 minutes ago, OLTL #1 fan said:

except everyone knows that the EC is the only one that means anything and why did HRC never step foot in Wisconsin? she lost a lot of rust-belt states that have been traditionally Democratic

 

I'm not going to re-litigate the election with you. There's no point in that. But anyone who refuses to acknowledge that there were many factors in her loss (Comey, Russians, voter suppression especially in swing states) isn't being realistic. There's a reason North Carolina's voter suppression was ruled unconstitutional and SCOTUS will be looking at Ohio's voter purge. 

for an Aussie he seems to get p.o. a lot regarding U.S. politics

2 minutes ago, OLTL #1 fan said:

for an Aussie he seems to get p.o. a lot regarding U.S. politics

 

Good. Let the world see the buffoon that we have because half the country couldn't be bothered to get off their asses and VOTE.

Just now, Wendy said:

 

Good. Let the world see the buffoon that we have because half the country couldn't be bothered to get off their asses and VOTE.

maybe that has more to do w/ having two crappy candidates?

4 minutes ago, OLTL #1 fan said:

maybe that has more to do w/ having two crappy candidates?

 

Crappy or not, you get what you give. Do nothing? Get someone like Trump. We are SPIRALLING. Voting ALWAYS makes a difference.

4 minutes ago, OLTL #1 fan said:

maybe that has more to do w/ having two crappy candidates?

 

Because the third party candidates were so stellar and qualified.

1 minute ago, marceline said:

 

Because the third party candidates were so stellar and qualified.

none were great, I was wanting to vote for Ben Carson or Carly Fiorina 

26 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

All those people who believe that Dumpster Fire Donny can actually turn back time and Make Coal Great Again are in for some disappointing times.

Corporations have already calibrated, retrofitted and adjusted their companies for the greenhouse gas lowering regulations that the EPA put in place years ago. They are not going to undo all that.

 

More states and businesses realize that wind and solar energies are building viable industries and creating jobs and that's not going to change. It's only going to expand.

 

In fact, I recently read about a coal plant that had put solar panels on its company headquarters. 

 

To save money, Kentucky Coal Museum turns to solar panels

 

If that's not a sign that solar and wind have genuine benefits, I don't know what is!

 

Just like with the ACA (AKA Obamacare), people have already adjusted to the reality and it's a fantasy to think that people, corporations and states legislatures will throw all the benefits of this away for an idea whose time has already come and gone.

 

Stop snorting the covfefe and get real, Donny.

 

 

I don't know true this is but I was reading an article that talked about how it won't really change much beyond uniting Europe even further against us, as it's going to take years to finalize (the leaving), and states like California already have very strict carbon emission standards, the rate of emissions in the US has been falling, countries like Germany are actually getting worse in this area, etc. As always it's just a flush and a flourish that makes us look awful and isolates us, likely for generations. 

 

http://www.politico.eu/article/trump-makes-europe-feel-great-again/

1 minute ago, OLTL #1 fan said:

none were great, I was wanting to vote for Ben Carson or Carly Fiorina 

 

That tells me everything I need to know.