Members pamela1965 Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 todd must die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members a2sassy Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 I don't see how ANYONE can compair this to Luke and Laura. Laura didn't have amnesia and choose to be with Luke after he raped her, knowing all the facts. Laura made the choice to be with Luke and if things went bad, that was on her because she knew who she was getting involved with. Marty on the other hand does NOT know that the same man she's falling in love with lead a GANG rape of her. Marty does NOT know that this man is keeping the fact that she has a son from her. Masrty does NOT know that Todd is actually going to steal his grandchild, which also happens to be her grandchild. Todd has told Marty so many lies and she's believed them because she has no memory and Todd having sex with a "consenting" Marty is just him raping her again IMO because she doesn't have all the facts to truly make this a consensual act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 Another great post!!!!!! THis isn't a consenual act given Marty's memory loss. No way would Marty have sex with Todd if she had her memory, if she did, she'd be pretty darn sick to WILLINGLY sleep with her gang rapist. I agree it would be on her if she had all the facts, but she doesn't. That's the sticking point with me. Her having amnesia doesn't make this more palatable, it makes it more sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 This is no different than if Todd slipped her rohypnol. Well it's different in one way: the show wouldn't be trying to position that as a romance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 LOL on daytime Rape IS Romance, let's not forget Days and Sami sleeping with HER rapist as well. This is much worse than that, given that Todd stalked Marty afterwards as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 Well since you brought them up... The show has kept the character of Todd stuck in two places: TnB and the rape. The character wasn't allowed to move beyond that relationship or that event and they go hand in hand. I blame the fixation on the rape on nostalgia and a desperate desire on the part of TPTB to recapture past glory. But as for TnB...perhaps we wouldn't have people clamoring for Marty to shag her rapist if they hadn't been subjected 15 years of the same story over and over again. The show backed itself into a corner and now its pulling this insane mess in the attempt to shake things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cal3 Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 Bingo! The higher the stakes the greater the expectation for the rest of the story. You can say Marty's rape was the end of chapter two with the trial and all that followed being the remainder of the book. What is the rest of the story here? The stakes in this story are enormous. Todd clearly knows what he is and who Marty is yet he is going forward with another rape of Marty regardless only this time without his two pals. What is the difference between Mary being so drunk her judgment is impaired and now being brain damaged with amnesia so her judgment or memory is impaired? In the original story the payoff was to see Todd, Zach and Powell pay by ending up in jail and ultimately gone. That the character of Todd survived that is something rare and unique. Is lightening supposed to strike twice in the same place and allow the character to continue? How can you even get to Todd paying without Marty remembering? Who is supposed to help her remember? John and his magic member? Jess, Nora, Viki and Bo might play some role here but even though they played supporting roles in the original story they still are a degree or so removed. Once she does remember what is a sufficient response for the character? Does she go apeshit in March sweeps? How does she come out of this viable? Then again that is only the Marty character? Is Todd still a viable character after his third OLTL rape not to mention everything else? How much more can this guy get away with before he crosses the point of no return? What about the viewers? Will the expectations be satisfied or will it be a dud that leaves the viewer feeling only cheated yet again? I just don't get the feeling that there is any way the show wins with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 ^^^ Agreed. It's actually pretty ironic. We've been complaining the stakes aren't high enough on most of our soaps... but this is the one time I can honestly say the stakes are TOO high in a story - too high to ever feel satisfied with at its conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 What if they wrote Todd getting gang-raped by men? Would that be comeupance? I don't think..wait I KNOW no man has ever been raped by a man on soaps. That would be worse than death, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted October 29, 2008 Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 A gang raped/murder combination will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted October 30, 2008 Members Share Posted October 30, 2008 Here's a thought: maybe its time to retire rape as a plot device altogether. Rape stories have become soapy cliches. Kind of like bringing people back from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cal3 Posted October 30, 2008 Members Share Posted October 30, 2008 No. We already sat through the offensive story of Margaret's rape of Todd played for laughs. That lead to his attempt to murder his unborn child and death row and . . . It is like the pattern is to come up with a more repulsive event to top what played last. Shock for shock fails to have any effect after a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faulkner Posted October 30, 2008 Members Share Posted October 30, 2008 Todd should have been killed off when RH left the first time. Sure, we would have been denied some good moments and performances, but I think it would have been better for the show in the long run. Soaps just don't know when to quit with these over-the-top villains - they are disposable by their very nature. Todd hasn't been a credible human being in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AMCHistory Posted October 30, 2008 Members Share Posted October 30, 2008 I think the key to the Marty/Todd story will be the fallout when Marty regains her memory. She has in fact, been raped all over again. This time though, it was consensual under the law, but not under the morals that govern human behavior. I think that realization, that moment of clarity, will be the pay-off the storyline. Imagine how that confrontation between Marty and Todd will go. Susan Haskell will be given the material that could very well, if done properly, win her another Emmy. As a actor, those challenging, nuanced storylines, are what you live for. I do not think Ron will disappoint with that. I guess I am willing to be uncomfortable with this sl, because that was the intent with which it was written. I don't think this was ever intended to be a romance. It was a dramatic twist of fate. I think these type of sl's faired so much better in the pre-internet age because of the lack of spoilers, a greater willingingness, and really viewers did not have a choice, but to wait and see how an entire storyline played out. This uncomfortableness, this anger and passion we feel, is what classic soap story telling is all about. I remind myself sometimes that I just have sit back ans see where things go. I may be wrong, but I can see this sl to be as much a milestone in Llanview history as the original gang rape. On that subject, whatever happened to Powell Lord? I always really liked the portrayer. I think the key to the Marty/Todd story will be the fallout when Marty regains her memory. She has in fact, been raped all over again. This time though, it was consensual under the law, but not under the morals that govern human behavior. I think that realization, that moment of clarity, will be the pay-off the storyline. Imagine how that confrontation between Marty and Todd will go. Susan Haskell will be given the material that could very well, if done properly, win her another Emmy. As a actor, those challenging, nuanced storylines, are what you live for. I do not think Ron will disappoint with that. I guess I am willing to be uncomfortable with this sl, because that was the intent with which it was written. I don't think this was ever intended to be a romance. It was a dramatic twist of fate. I think these type of sl's faired so much better in the pre-internet age because of the lack of spoilers, a greater willingingness, and really viewers did not have a choice, but to wait and see how an entire storyline played out. This uncomfortableness, this anger and passion we feel, is what classic soap story telling is all about. I remind myself sometimes that I just have sit back ans see where things go. I may be wrong, but I can see this sl to be as much a milestone in Llanview history as the original gang rape. On that subject, whatever happened to Powell Lord? I always really liked the portrayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angela Posted October 30, 2008 Members Share Posted October 30, 2008 The fall out reads exciting, I think I'm going to watch OLTL instead of AMC that week (I can only really watch one soap at a time), but the sex still leaves a really horrible taste in my mouth. It was enough that he was emotionally minipulating her as much as he was, they went there because some pervs at OLTL have always had the urge to scratch the Marty/Todd itch. It took the storyline from interesting like watching a train wreck about to happen to nauseating like it makes the audience literally ill. He was made into a serial rapist. The one rapist that really didn't want to do it and who felt guilt was turned into a serial rapist (like Todd). When one thing works very well for a show they don't know how to stop doing it, they make it a pathetic joke and try to destroy the show with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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