I understand what you both are saying, and I might even agree. But it cracks me up that we can't give the writers credit for intentionally scripting a subtle psychological reveal .

If i thought theyw ere i would give them credit.

but i dont think they are.

^^ MarkH, those Kay-Jill scenes were the best yesterday. CMV's Dance of Fear stole the show, but Cane/Jill/Kay/Esther/Chloe kept me glued. TPTB have wisely eased the focus away from Cane-Lily's Greatest Wuv and more towards the ramifications of this baby on the "Chancellors," their house, their money.

And ITA that Cane was full of passion yesterday. And sadness because he has essentially let his fears about not getting time with "his" child ruin the happy-go-lucky existence that he had planned.

As for being paired with a mature woman? How about Cane and Ashley (ED having proven at bringing out the best in a younger acting partner)? Jill's reaction to that might be interesting... especially around the Jabot boardroom.

Re: Victoria, it is interesting what you said about AH surprising you with sudden tenderness. I saw that at the end of the gala, and I saw it yesterday in her daydream about Victor returning. And then, the daydream ended and it was back to Dead Eyes.

Your comments about Heather are very interesting. I didn't know that Heather's mother was abused -- I'm wondering if somebody (one of the Bells?) at Y&R does and that is what has informed the writing for her. She is a grey character and I'm wondering what it would take for her to turn against Adam (although I like their couple chemistry at the moment).

I'm still game for a Cane-Phyllis pairing...which they did a one-scene chemistry test on.

Janice Ferri (Esser) KNOWS the history of Y&R. She knows about the abuse storyline. With her back I am very hopeful that these historical notes will now again resonate regularly. I keep trying to contain my enthusiasm. (I don't want to fall into Carlivati-style discipledom, only to be dashed). But the show has been so FREAKING good.

I want Heather to stay with Adam NO MATTTER WHAT. No matter what he does. No matter how he treats her. Why? Because, over time, that reveals her to be a little bit sick and a little bit ambitious. Sick and ambitious...THAT is what makes an interesting soap character. Especially one with a smoking body. Because let's face it...that IS part of her incredible appeal too.

I want Heather to stay with Adam NO MATTTER WHAT. No matter what he does. No matter how he treats her. Why? Because, over time, that reveals her to be a little bit sick and a little bit ambitious. Sick and ambitious...THAT is what makes an interesting soap character. Especially one with a smoking body. Because let's face it...that IS part of her incredible appeal too.

And not to mention the incredible chemistry between VB/CE. Perhaps her looks is what got her noticed in the beginning, and no doubt she is a hottie. But she has been growing as an actress lately and I hope VB continues to improve on that. Along with her, EOB and EH this show has a great set of younger actresses, IMO.

I haven't watched Thursday's show yet but that's on the agenda today. Now on Wednesday's episode, I was a little disappointed. The Nick/Vic scenes in Crimson Lights came across to be as stilted and forced. I didn't get any sense of loss from either one of them, and they were talking about letters that their dead father had left for them!

The phone call from Nikki announcing "Victor's Alive!" fell flat for me too. Is that really how Nick/Vic/Sharon/Noah would react to this news? It seemed to me that they just got a free cup of coffee. And then to span out across GC to Restless Style and Newman Enterprises sharing that with Jack/Brad/Whomever just didn't seem to fit.

The ending though? Loved it. Adam and Heather makin out on the couch and Heeeere's Victor!

The ending though? Loved it. Adam and Heather makin out on the couch and Heeeere's Victor!

LOL, what til you see Adam's reaction!

LOL, what til you see Adam's reaction!

Can't wait. I'm fixin to watch Thursday's show in a few.

Yes, it seems to me like the writers are accidentally showing layers of Heather. They don't seem invested in her character much, and unintentionally they're making her interesting.

Exactly---it's what has me wanting more of Heather. There's something there, and I keep wanting to see more, and the nuggets we get totally work, like going for the letter. There's interesting motivation behind it all for me.

Nice banner Baller! Or should I say excellent work Dee!

Adam's reaction to Victor was awesome. I think CE sold that one completely.

Although I don't like Adam out on his ear, he'll be back (hopefully). I liked the way he left the Ranch without saying one word to the sappy siblings. And what's up with the smirks? Ugh. Well, keep on smirkin, Nick and Vic. Adam will be back to wipe them off your faces soon.

Another good ending. Chloe was great. "Who will be showing me to my room?"

Nice banner Baller! Or should I say excellent work Dee!

I thought you might like. Dee took care of me--I've always been a Liz girl, but now that I'm watching Y&R full time again, I'm sooo loving Vail. Never thought I would.

I'm glad they had the Chloe moment out on the steps---showing the other side of her, not always so secure.

I love Victor walking in on Heather and Adam. I didn't think I would when I read about it, but the moment so worked for me.

I'm glad they had the Chloe moment out on the steps---showing the other side of her, not always so secure.

I was just going to say! That was a very human moment. If I were emotionally blackmailing some rich dude into being my babydaddy and his wealthy bitch family, I would probably be taking deep breaths myself before waltzing in with some new power play.

Ya know, Cat....sometimes I think that I'm missing something with these two. I actually start doubting myself and think that I might give them a chance. So I go with it. I try to sit down, without prejudice, and get involved in their story. And I can't. I simply can't see it no matter how hard I want to.

I don't know how popular they are overall, but...ugh. And you're right - that's the way the story is being written and we should expect things like that to happen. But still. Ugh.

UGH is right.. lily and cane are just not interesting.

UGH is right.. lily and cane are just not interesting.

I find Lily and Cane the most boring part of the story. CK is a weak actress most of the time and DG is merely adequate although at least he seems to want to be a better actor from what I have read. To me the interesting dynamic is between Chloe, Jill and Katherine with an assist from Esther. In a way I want it revealed that Billy is the real father so Cane and Lily can go away into their own story and be boring together and I will happily FF. Than I can watch the real drama and some strong actresses interacting when I watch Chloe, Jill and Katherine.

I loved that little scene outside of the estate. Chloe is putting on a big act acting like she doesn't care about anything and yet I see a really interesting story in her past. She is whip smart and we see glimpses of insecurity. We need to see more about that. They can go so many places with Chloe and I think Kay likes her. Kay finds someone like Chloe far more interesting than her dufus of a grandson and his pollyanna girlfriend Lily. Think of all the young, smart yet edgy/snarky young women she has mentored over the years from Jill and Lauren to Amber and now hopefully Chloe.

I'm new. Nice to meet you all. These are my random opinions of the show thus far.

The bad

I don't know where to begin. Boring storylines, bad actors, waste of good actors, boring couples.

• They need to undo Jill and Katherine being mother/daughter. Waste of JC and JW chemistry as adversaries.
• Newmans - Josh Morrow, Amelia Heinle - bad, bad actors. Esp AH - She sucks as Vicki. Bring back Heather Tom.
• Heather/ Vail Bloom - pretty but zero sex appeal. Bad actress. Terrible with Chris Engen. Same for Tammin S.
• Burn down Restless style. Send Jack back to Jabot. Sharon is obsessed with every man except for her husband. Get her a new man because Jack is not working and Shick is like watching paint dry.
• Lane - I know they have the fans... but they are the new Shick. Get them off my screen. Bring back Davetta Sherwood.
• Get rid of Amber - fast forward material.
• Ditto Gloria - waste of airtime. Jeffrey can stay.
• What the heck have they done to Kevin? Bring back Adrianne and let's see Colleen/Kevin. Jana is ok.. but whatevs.

The good

• Latham is gone.... but Hogan Sheffer? Bring back Kay Alden.
• Chloe - A bit psycho but entertaining and atleast she keeps Lane apart.
• Adam - Crappy writing but actor is v. good.
• Yay for Eileen coming back. Too bad Jerry Douglas can't come back. Latham needs to be burned for killing off John Abbott.

Other

• Give Likey a better storyline.
• Give Phyllis a decent story. I want to see Kay Alden's version of Phyllis. Phick - great chemistry, great actress, but Phick need a good storyline or Phyllis should dump Nick and get herself a new man.
• Too bad we can't see David Tom/Ash Bash on our screens. Great couple. No clue if Billy Miller is any good.
• I miss Miguel!
• Get Jack a woman - bring back Diane. Poor chap needs to be happy for a change.
• Dru - miss her. Neil needs to be front burner. Karen - boring.
• Bring back Nina, Traci.
• Daniel needs a better storyline. Graz is good.
• Victor needs to stop winning every single time.

I'm new. Nice to meet you all. These are my random opinions of the show thus far.

The good

• Latham is gone.... but Hogan Sheffer? Bring back Kay Alden.
• Chloe - A bit psycho but entertaining and atleast she keeps Lane apart.
• Adam - Crappy writing but actor is v. good.
• Yay for Eileen coming back. Too bad Jerry Douglas can't come back. Latham needs to be burned for killing off John Abbott.

Hi Snickerdoodle and welcome........

I used to like Kay Alden's writing too until she became head writer on B&B, that show is a mess in it's own right. HS is doing pretty decently right now and a heck of a lot better then LML, but things could be better.....

One weird thing I noticed on Wednesday's show one minute Jack was in Victor's office at Newman making the advertising deal with Adam, then in the very next scene with Amber and Daniel at Restless Style Jack was there too........

The bad

I don't know where to begin. Boring storylines, bad actors, waste of good actors, boring couples.

• They need to undo Jill and Katherine being mother/daughter. Waste of JC and JW chemistry as adversaries.
• Newmans - Josh Morrow, Amelia Heinle - bad, bad actors. Esp AH - She sucks as Vicki. Bring back Heather Tom.
• Heather/ Vail Bloom - pretty but zero sex appeal. Bad actress. Terrible with Chris Engen. Same for Tammin S.
• Burn down Restless style. Send Jack back to Jabot. Sharon is obsessed with every man except for her husband. Get her a new man because Jack is not working and Shick is like watching paint dry.
• Lane - I know they have the fans... but they are the new Shick. Get them off my screen. Bring back Davetta Sherwood.
• Get rid of Amber - fast forward material.
• Ditto Gloria - waste of airtime. Jeffrey can stay.
• What the heck have they done to Kevin? Bring back Adrianne and let's see Colleen/Kevin. Jana is ok.. but whatevs.

Oh no. I strongly disagree with everything you just said (except the part about Shick being boring). Particularly about Amelia, Christel and Tammin - I LOVE them!

• Latham is gone.... but Hogan Sheffer? Bring back Kay Alden.

Kay Alden is working miracles for B&B. They need her more than Y&R does.

Edited September 7, 200817 yr by y&r_fan