I'm not really buying into this concept of "mind raping". Keeping Marty away from Cole and not being honest about their past is bad, but it really doesn't compare to physical rape at all. Todd doing it, is much creepier than Ramsey doing it because of the past, but I just don't see this as being in the same league as leading a gang rape against her.

In fact, if it were still Ramsey who had her, I would say he's doing her a favor by keeping her hidden away. If Marty has all the issues Michael mentioned I can only imagine what her reaction would be to finding out everything that is happening with Cole. She probably would stand a better chance of recovery in isolation.

I have the opposite reaction. I love it because it's so twisted and there's history between the two.

I believe there will be. This isn't Guza or Higley who's writing this.

id love it if i thought there would be a fallout, that didnt involve todd losing the ones he loves. i dont fing care if he lsoess the ones he loves because they do this story year after year after year.

guza and higly have nothing to do with this. a good writer stands on their own, not by comparision.

id love it if i thought there would be a fallout, that didnt involve todd losing the ones he loves. i dont fing care if he lsoess the ones he loves because they do this story year after year after year.

He's already lost his family, so the fallout can't be that.

I'm spoiler free so I really have no idea what's happening in the coming weeks and if it already isn't possible, please don't tell me.... lol

But what I would love to see is Todd fall in love with Marty as he serves as her caretaker. I want him to believe that she is the one person who makes him a caring, feeling man with a heart he has never known before. I want amnesiac Marty to cause Todd Manning to fall in love.... hard... head over heels. To the point that thought of being without her makes it simply impossible to breathe.

And then, I want the day to arrive where John tells Marty of her past history with Todd. And while Marty, who will have fallen in love as well, will be devastated, I want to see Todd suffer because Marty is suffering. I want to see him crushed. I want to see him lose a woman he truly loves because of his raping her all those years ago. And I want his heart to bleed, knowing that this is what he deserves because of his past actions.

Edited July 2, 200817 yr by kzinlove06

You know what? I love the Todd-Marty scenes. I like the way he is so uncomfortable around her, while she seems stronger and a lot like the old Marty again.

The scene where she asked him about their past and she later told him to carry her out was the best in the episode.

This is getting very interesting. It looks like things are not going the way Todd planned them. He propably thought that he kidnapped Christina Chambers's weak version of Marty and now he is in trouble.. lol

I loved how Marty kind of made fun of him and asked him if he was unable to carry her. And she was talking to her rapist.

I for one hope that they fall in love.

I'm not really buying into this concept of "mind raping". Keeping Marty away from Cole and not being honest about their past is bad, but it really doesn't compare to physical rape at all. Todd doing it, is much creepier than Ramsey doing it because of the past, but I just don't see this as being in the same league as leading a gang rape against her.

In fact, if it were still Ramsey who had her, I would say he's doing her a favor by keeping her hidden away. If Marty has all the issues Michael mentioned I can only imagine what her reaction would be to finding out everything that is happening with Cole. She probably would stand a better chance of recovery in isolation.

not with Todd feeding her lies and taking advantage of her. I can onmly imagine the shock and trauma she will go through when she finds out that her former rapist kidnapped her and that everything he's told her were lies

I also wonder whether this whole SL isn't about TODD, not Marty. Bringing him down to his souless depths -- in order to slowly build him back up.

I think that is how I am viewing this story. I am a newer viewer to OLTL so I am not 100% sure on all the history of these two. I have started watching some of this storyline on You Tube. But at this time I am not really seeing this as a story to put together Marty and Todd. From what I have seen of Todd he is nothing but a self-centered, selfish a-hole. He sees the world in a completely different reality where he can do no wrong and/or it is never his fault. This is just continuing this pattern. I wonder if in the end of all of this we see a total breakdown of Todd. At this time I think it is an interesting story that is being played out.

id love it if i thought there would be a fallout, that didnt involve todd losing the ones he loves. i dont fing care if he lsoess the ones he loves because they do this story year after year after year.

guza and higly have nothing to do with this. a good writer stands on their own, not by comparision.

But you seem to be madly in love with Dena Higley's writing, and there are comparisons to her all the time. Are you insinuating Ron isn't a good writer? ANY writer can be compared to someone else. People sing the praises of Sheri Anderson all the time and make comparisons.

So, if I want to consider someone a not good writer, all I have to do is compare them to someone else. I'll keep that in mind.

He's already lost his family, so the fallout can't be that.

I'm not so sure he's lost Jack yet. He hasn't totally lost Vicki. And even Blair seems to have residual feelings, otherwise, she wouldn't have gone to his penthouse/apartment/condo or whatever to check out this "other woman". And, he hasn't landed in jail for beating up the teens. This whole thing might end up getting twisted in the Starr's baby storyline.

But you seem to be madly in love with Dena Higley's writing, and there are comparisons to her all the time. Are you insinuating Ron isn't a good writer? ANY writer can be compared to someone else. People sing the praises of Sheri Anderson all the time and make comparisons.

So, if I want to consider someone a not good writer, all I have to do is compare them to someone else. I'll keep that in mind.

actually i am not madly in love with DH's writing. I am however really enjoying a show she is writing for the first time this decade. sure people can compare, but to compare one writer to another in order to build them up is... funny... why do they need to be compared? why cant they just be judged on what they write, not on what theyw rite compared to what someone else writes. i feel the same about comparing actors. 'xxxx' is great because 'xxxx' sucks - umm? really? why cant they just be good on their own? same for soaps. of course a comparison is going to me made - but it shouldnt be a factor as into who is good and who is bad.

and no i am not insinuating Ron isn't a good writer. i may not LOVE oltl, but i do think that Ron is an amazing writer and by far one of the ebst to his this genre in years. i think its amazing what he done with the show in one short year. and i hope he can keep it up. but as much as i enjoy him doesnt mean i am going to over look anything i disagree with or am unsure with.

and you can do whatever you want to. i just dont agree that comparing someone who one feels is a good writer to someone who they feel is a bad writer proves to anyone that said writer is good. now, pointing out what they do right and what they have done right and everything good they have done, that might.

I just don't understand why people think there won't be fallout. This is the HW that has every Buchanan suffering and reeling from mistakes made MONTHS ago -- from Clint's end, from Jared's end, from Natalie's end, from Asa's end, etc.

Why do we think there won't be fallout for Todd? Did I miss something? If there's one thing I feel like RC does, and does well, it's FALLOUT. This Nash thing has been going on for WEEKS, and every day he finds a new angle, a new step forward, anything to keep it going and not make it stale. Hell, even Dorian is experiencing fallout from what she did with Charlie (with Mel haunting her).

There's fallout all over the place. Why would Ron not deliver in this situation as well?

Dont get me wrong, the Emmy worthy scenes that should be coming up after is this over; I know they are coming. I dont doubt that. R.F.F.C means Ron Flyguy Fallout Carlivati, I've got that. It's the just the story in the present, that is my problem. I could think of 100 other ways to involve Todd in her return than "amneisa and the caretaker", but then again, I don't write for OLTL.

I just don't understand why people think there won't be fallout. This is the HW that has every Buchanan suffering and reeling from mistakes made MONTHS ago -- from Clint's end, from Jared's end, from Natalie's end, from Asa's end, etc.

Why do we think there won't be fallout for Todd? Did I miss something? If there's one thing I feel like RC does, and does well, it's FALLOUT. This Nash thing has been going on for WEEKS, and every day he finds a new angle, a new step forward, anything to keep it going and not make it stale. Hell, even Dorian is experiencing fallout from what she did with Charlie (with Mel haunting her).

There's fallout all over the place. Why would Ron not deliver in this situation as well?

i am sure there will be fallout, for everyone.. esp marty/john/cole/starr/starleet/marcie/michael/blair/ tonfs of otjhers.

but todd? what possable fallout is he going to have? his family wont speak to him? marty will hate him? john will hate him? what? idk.

im also sure the fact that i *hate* marty doesnt help me invest in this, but then again i hated Jared and even nash by the point he died and i was invested because i knew the fallout would be amazing.

it just seems so.. blahh to me. i hate the storyline. hopefully it goes somewhere because i am so not down for months of todd/marty chatting and bonding.

For me, a key to where this storyline is heading was when, during one of their many arguments, Cole said to Todd that the reason Todd is so frustrated and unhappy is because he'll never be able to make it up to Marty for what he did to her now that she's dead. This is Todd's chance to recreate his self image, however temporarily, into what wishes he would have been without the stigma of being a rapist.

It also dovetails into the over-riding Lord Family arc that has his sister Tina re-creating herself as the lap of luxury Princess she's always wanted to be and his sister Viki recreating herself as a simple waitress. All three visions are doomed because, in the end, they'll never escape who they are.

It also dovetails into the over-riding Lord Family arc that has his sister Tina re-creating herself as the lap of luxury Princess she's always wanted to be and his sister Viki recreating herself as a simple waitress. All three visions are doomed because, in the end, they'll never escape who they are.

Oh my God. I feel like somebody just ripped the blindfold off.

Jinx, THANK YOU for pointing this out. It never even occurred to me!

I think there will be fallout for everyone BUT Todd. Unless he loses everything, and by that I mean Sam, Viki, Starr, Blair, Jack, Jess, Nat(basically his family) and hits rock bottom then he'll never face any real consequences.

He's been doing this kind of crap for YEARS and never suffering much for it.

What has he suffered from beating up on Cole? NOTHING.

Unless Carlavati shows me something onscreen that Todd is gonna face some REAL consquences then right now I'm of the feeling Todd will continue to get away with what he does and it will continue to be whitewashed.