This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Is it not public knowledge that Todd Palin is a proud member of the AIP, the very group who's leader hates America and has disrespected the American flag in public a many of times. If the AIP had their way, Alaska would be seperated from the US. Talk about loving your country. Casey, I wouldnt go there if I was you. It's all on video.

Is it not public knowledge that Todd Palin is a proud member of the AIP, the very group who's leader hates America and has disrespected the American flag in public a many of times. If the AIP had their way, Alaska would be seperated from the US. Talk about loving your country. Casey, I wouldnt go there if I was you. It's all on video.

And Sarah need not throw stones about pastors.

And Sarah need not throw stones about pastors.

That's so true. That video is on youtube too.

Is it not public knowledge that Todd Palin is a proud member of the AIP, the very group who's leader hates America and has disrespected the American flag in public a many of times. If the AIP had their way, Alaska would be seperated from the US. Talk about loving your country. Casey, I wouldnt go there if I was you. It's all on video.

Damn, you people make me have to google stuff at least twice a day. At least I'm getting educated!

ETA: Wow. And McCain thought it was smart to have her as his vice president. I cannot wrap my head around this

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Tishy

Honestly I think Sarah Palin's next move is going to be to show a little thigh. When she speaks, she makes a fool of herself...When she winks and makes little cutesy comments, people love her! It's ass backwards is what it is.

Makes you wonder who exactly is in charge of the campaign, McCain or Palin. It seems like she's starting to take over. And she's one to talk about associations, when the Alaskan Independence Party she praised was founded by a man who seemed to hate the United States with a passion.

McCain, no question. The lyin bastard is trying to play both sides of the fence and say it's not me, it's her. BS.

Is it not public knowledge that Todd Palin is a proud member of the AIP, the very group who's leader hates America and has disrespected the American flag in public a many of times. If the AIP had their way, Alaska would be seperated from the US. Talk about loving your country. Casey, I wouldnt go there if I was you. It's all on video.

That kind of stuff makes me sick. What Palin is engaging in is McCarthyism pure and simple. I want that to backfire so bad. It actually would restore some of my faith in American voters.

McCain lies, pure and simple and that should be punished and not rewarded.

And Sarah need not throw stones about pastors.

She need not to throw stones on any issue because I am sure a boulder could be thrown right back at her. Does the woman not think before she speaks? I am glad the electorate down there only fell for the Palin Soap Opera for a brief time, because its just getting absolutely ridiculous. Seeing republican after republican blame the liberal media for Sarah's missteps is just absolutely unbelievable. They attack her on HER words....

I am glad Jay brought up the point of AIP. Obama said today he won't throw the first punch, but he will definitely throw the last. If McCain-Palin want to make this election about smears and not about the issues, than I hope Obama does begin to air more of Ms. Palin's dirty laundry because there is certainly a whole laundromat full of it.

But then it will be sexist, and the liberal media attacking poor little Sarah Palin.

McCain, no question. The lyin bastard is trying to play both sides of the fence and say it's not me, it's her. BS.

That kind of stuff makes me sick. What Palin is engaging in is McCarthyism pure and simple. I want that to backfire so bad. It actually would restore some of my faith in American voters.

McCain lies, pure and simple and that should be punished and not rewarded.

I think I saw some polls today having Obama ahead by 12 points. Finally we are seeing the landslide that it always should have been.

I can't wait to watch the debate tomorrow.

Now that is on at 9.00 pm EST right cuz it is on at 11.50 am for me.

I really do hope that Obama wipes the floor with McCain.

I have come to the conclusion that if I was American I would be a Democrat.

Just edited the post as I rechecked the times.

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by SnCCorinthos4ever

I can't wait to watch the debate tomorrow.

Now that is on at 8.00 pm EST right cuz it is on at 11.00 am for me.

I really do hope that Obama wipes the floor with McCain.

I have come to the conclusion that if I was American I would be a Democrat.

Yay another outsider! Its hard to say what we'd be not growing up in the American political society. Its so different from that of Canada and Australia which I think are very similar due in part to our affiliation with Britain and the Queen. I think I'd be on the right side of the Democratic Party or an independent. Its funny, if you are considered Left wing in the United States, in alot of instances you'd be in the centre or to the right in Canada. Our definition of left wing liberal is far different that that of a USA liberal. Partly because of many of our socialist like policies e.g health care, welfare etc.

She need not to throw stones on any issue because I am sure a boulder could be thrown right back at her.

Pretty much!

Is it not public knowledge that Todd Palin is a proud member of the AIP, the very group who's leader hates America and has disrespected the American flag in public a many of times. If the AIP had their way, Alaska would be seperated from the US. Talk about loving your country.

Thank you. I've been waiting for someone to say this somewhere. It just makes them even more hypocritical to imply that the Obamas are not patriotic.

That kind of stuff makes me sick. What Palin is engaging in is McCarthyism pure and simple. I want that to backfire so bad. It actually would restore some of my faith in American voters.

Me too, especially after the success of the swiftboating which turned me completely against the GOP and their malevolent misleading tactics all while claiming to be the ones with the right values of good, true Americans.

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Darcy

When they're not blaming the gays, they're blaming the blacks, the hispanics, the democrats. Anybody in sight that's not a republican, lily white and filthy rich. It's pathetic.

So true, Kay. So true.

McCain's brother says N. Va. 'Communist country'

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER – 1 day ago

Again, as Kay said, pathetic.

I would suggest everyone check out Elizabeth Hasselbeck on another thread here in the Off Topic Lounge. The women on the The View are talking about Barack's "terrorist ties".

Has Casey taken his ball and went home? Just when things are getting good?

And where's our buddy Brian?

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_...9WfiA1pWq2s0NUE

McCain linked to private group in Iran-Contra case

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 48 minutes ago

GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.

The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group.

"McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated.

"I don't recall talking to McCain at all on the work of the group," Singlaub said.

The renewed attention over McCain's association with Singlaub's group comes as McCain's campaign steps up criticism of Obama's dealings with William Ayers, a college professor who co-founded the Weather Underground and years later worked on education reform in Chicago alongside Obama. Ayers held a meet-the-candidate event at his home when Obama first ran for public office in the mid-1990s.

Obama was roughly 8 years old when Ayers, now at the University of Illinois at Chicago, was working with the Weather Underground, which took responsibility for bombings that included nonfatal blasts at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol. McCain's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, has said that Obama "pals around with terrorists."

In McCain's case, Singlaub knew McCain's father, a Navy admiral who had sought Singlaub's counsel when McCain, a Navy pilot, became a prisoner of war and spent 5 1/2 years in North Vietnamese hands.

"John's father asked me for advice about what he ought to do now that his son had been shot down and captured," Singlaub recalled in one of two recent interviews. "I said, 'As long as you don't give any impression that you care more about him than you care about any of the other prisoners, he won't be treated any differently.'"

Covert arms shipments to the rebels called Contras, financed in part by secret arms sales to Iran, became known as the Iran-Contra affair. They proved to be the undoing of Singlaub's council.

In 1987, the Internal Revenue Service withdrew the tax-exempt status of Singlaub's group because of its activities on behalf of the Contras.

Elected to the House in 1982 and at a time when he was on the board of Singlaub's council, McCain was among Republicans on Capitol Hill expressing support for the Contras, a CIA-organized guerrilla force in Central America. In 1984, Congress cut off CIA funds for the Contras.

Months before the cutoff, top Reagan administration officials ramped up a secret White House-directed supply network and put National Security Council aide Oliver North in charge of running it. The goal was to keep the Contras operational until Congress could be persuaded to resume CIA funding.

Singlaub's private group became the public cover for the White House operation.

Secretly, Singlaub worked with North in an effort to raise millions of dollars from foreign governments.

McCain has said previously he resigned from the council in 1984 and asked in 1986 to have his name removed from the group's letterhead.

"I didn't know whether (the group's activity) was legal or illegal, but I didn't think I wanted to be associated with them," McCain said in a newspaper interview in 1986.

Singlaub does not recall any McCain resignation in 1984 or May 1986. Nor does Joyce Downey, who oversaw the group's day-to-day activities.

"That's a surprise to me," Singlaub said. "This is the first time I've ever heard that. There may have been someone in his office communicating with our office."

"I don't ever remember hearing about his resigning, but I really wasn't worried about that part of our activities, a housekeeping thing," said Singlaub. "If he didn't want to be on the board that's OK. It wasn't as if he had been active participant and we were going to miss his help. He had no active interest. He certainly supported us."

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Ryan

John McCain focuses on ISSUES..and the gloves are off.. John McCain has not only dropped the gloves, but he's pulled Obama's jersey over his head and is preparing to slug him right in the gut. Yesterday, at a rally in Albuquerque, New Mexico, he FINALLY talked about our economic troubles and gave credit where credit is due. Now, if he can only do the same in tonight's debate, I think we may see a big shift in the polls.

This little incident may raise a few eyebrows..

Anti-Obama author detained in Kenya..no clear reason given..

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