See, that's what I'm wondering. Now I'm not saying that Adam and JR don't deserve a little pay back. But who is Zach to deal out that punishment? Who is Zach to decide that Adam needs to pay, when Zach did something very criminal. and didn't pay in the slighest for it? I guess, people only want Babe, KWAK, Adam and JR to suffer and pay for what they did, but Zach, is somehow immune.

I don't think any character is. And if Adam is getting what is supposedly coming to him, then Zach has too to. As does Tad. As does JR, HJamie, Josh, etc.

Thank you Kylie and I totally agree. Its nothing but hypocrisy. Zach is in no position when he had people lying and fighting to protect him when if there was any justice, he'd be in jail right now.

Totally. I will co-sign that (Geez, you have excellent taste, Gio. Hate Beall, like Patrick! ) I loved the episode she wrote last month (6/5), and I loved this episode, too.

The Ava/Kendall scenes had me hysterical! "4.2" And Kendall trying to get Ava to flip the wig. Loved Greenlee and Annie bursting in as well.

Totally enjoyed the scene at the Chandler Mansion with Marian (Jennifer Bassey's hair looks GORGEOUS! ) and Opal "When pigs dance the macarena!" all fighting over the property.

Wow, Ryan and Jonathan both realizing their pasts give them no right to judge other people? Shall I faint now or later?

Big ups to Karen Lewis, who I always sell short. After three days of Agenda and Lil' Miss Hot Mess, today was a breath of fresh air (The Jerica Innuendo scene 7/5 was dreadfully obvious -- but I loved Walt and Susan's performances. Again, it's the actors who can polish turds into diamonds when all else fails... well, some of them, anyway. Giving Cameron the Bugler "beach" speech last month was a horrible mistake!).

I was actuaally really liking Bealle last year. When she wrote that 9/11 episode it was like the best episode ever considering how many times I cried last summer because th show wa just SO SO awful. But Bealle writes all her characters like they're on this cheerleader sitcom. I now cringe. Either Way. I'll be behind ANY writer whose willing to fight for Brooke to come back and fight for Adam. Could you imagine. She and Adam could move into the Tyler mansion assuming it is still in PV.

I totally 100% agree with the sentiment that Zach is far from the one who gets to dole out the punishment to Adam and JR. Personally, I don't give two shits about what happens to JR or who makes it happen, but I sure as hell am not going to cheer Zach on for trying to pull something over on Adam Chandler. And Kendall, prancing around the Chandler mansion all smug-like. Bitch, four years ago, you was camped out at the Pine Cone, so sit your ass down.

I totally 100% agree with the sentiment that Zach is far from the one who gets to dole out the punishment to Adam and JR. Personally, I don't give two shits about what happens to JR or who makes it happen, but I sure as hell am not going to cheer Zach on for trying to pull something over on Adam Chandler. And Kendall, prancing around the Chandler mansion all smug-like. Bitch, four years ago, you was camped out at the Pine Cone, so sit your ass down.

I may not agree with your base argument but that was funny and so true.

Because they're Zach haters, Angie. If it were anybody else, they'd be cheering him on. I'm sure some of the same people are angry at Zach for having the NERVE to do such a HORRIBLE thing, are probably the same moral police officers who were chewing Adam out for selling that CareyMartin spawn on the black market eight weeks ago.

Don't understand why Zach can't dole out the punishment when it was Zach's wife, Zach's step-son and Zach barracaded in that room fighting for them both, thanks to JR almost killing them. Adam went to him and played the revenge card to get Zach to play his game. It's Adam who smugged it up in the courtroom when the charges were dropped against JR. Adam has accepted responsibility for how JR turned out so why shouldn't Zach agree with his reasoning. Why is Adam in his right to dole out punishment to Tad or to Kwak, using a baby, Amanda & Janet who did nothing to him? Adam is neither an innocent nor defenseless. He knows how to take care of himself and he will. Having him lose for a couple of weeks is not the end of Adam Chandler.

I may not agree with your base argument but that was funny and so true.

I completely degree. That was the line of the thread. Thanks for the laugh

See, that's what I'm wondering. Now I'm not saying that Adam and JR don't deserve a little pay back. But who is Zach to deal out that punishment? Who is Zach to decide that Adam needs to pay, when Zach did something very criminal. and didn't pay in the slighest for it? I guess, people only want Babe, KWAK, Adam and JR to suffer and pay for what they did, but Zach, is somehow immune.

I don't think any character is. And if Adam is getting what is supposedly coming to him, then Zach has too to. As does Tad. As does JR, HJamie, Josh, etc.

Where I come from in regard to the whole Babe and KWAK "paying" for their crimes over Zach and Adam not "paying" (let it be heard that I love both Adam and Zach) is that Babe and KWAK have always been written or viewed as victims or martyrs, while Zach and Adam are written and/or viewed as evil, hateful villains. So, I can't speak for others, but for me, I despise being told that it's okay for Babe and KWAK to continuously do mean, hurtful, treacherous things to people because they do it for the "right" (by whose judgment?!?) reasons. Just as much as I hate being told that Zach and Adam must pay pay pay because they're evil and bad. I didn't agree with Adam using the MartinCarey Spawn (because I knew that was a free ticket to character assassination hell for Adam), but I wholeheartedly understood it. Having everyone try to say that using the baby was over the line was NOT going to make me stop saying "BUT ADAM WAS THE VICTIM IN THIS WHOLE THING!" Just like no amount of making JR the evil, evil alcoholic husband was going to make me stop saying "BUT BABE CONTINUOUSLY LIED TO AND CHEATED ON JR!"

I was actuaally really liking Bealle last year. When she wrote that 9/11 episode it was like the best episode ever considering how many times I cried last summer because th show wa just SO SO awful. But Bealle writes all her characters like they're on this cheerleader sitcom. I now cringe. Either Way. I'll be behind ANY writer whose willing to fight for Brooke to come back and fight for Adam. Could you imagine. She and Adam could move into the Tyler mansion assuming it is still in PV.

I liked Beall at first, too. I am a fan of GH's longtime scriptwriter, Mary Sue Price, who is fantastic at writing confrontation scenes. There is so much attitude, no holds barred, and I love it! I mean, to any gay male soap watcher, that is just to die for! One of my favorites from Price is when Brenda and Skye had a little catfight in November of 2002.

Skye:

Jax and I made love tonight -- and it was fabulous.

Brenda:

Well, that's great, Skye. Good to know. Last time I saw you in bed with Jax, you had all your clothes on. So, I'm sorry, just explain this to me. How do you working girls do that? You just hike your skirt up, right?

Skye:

Gee, Brenda, I guess you'd know better than anyone. But, seriously, either way works for me.

So, I had hoped Beall would give me some gooey, juicy, oh-so-delicious stuff. I held out hope... really, I did... But she was a one trick pony, having to fill her Slut, Bitch, Ho quotas. It's like, okay. Fine. The first 5,000 times a character called another character a bitch, ho, slut, it was fabulous! Jolting! An "Oh, no she didn't!" moment. But, after the 5,032nd time, it's like, ENOUGH! Let's progress. Instead, whenever she writes, the characters, as you've so cogently stated, sound like some bad cheerleader sitcom. All sounding alike. All trite. All having throwaway lines that should've, in fact, been thrown the hell away!

And we already know how I feel about her AGENDA PUSHING. But, alas, I've gone on much too long -- it's just I never miss an opportunity to push MY agenda -- which is my AMANDA L. BEALL HATE! Hell, I wouldn't be me if I didn't.

Don't understand why Zach can't dole out the punishment when it was Zach's wife, Zach's step-son and Zach barracaded in that room fighting for them both, thanks to JR almost killing them. Adam went to him and played the revenge card to get Zach to play his game. It's Adam who smugged it up in the courtroom when the charges were dropped against JR. Adam has accepted responsibility for how JR turned out so why shouldn't Zach agree with his reasoning. Why is Adam in his right to dole out punishment to Tad or to Kwak, using a baby, Amanda & Janet who did nothing to him? Adam is neither an innocent nor defenseless. He knows how to take care of himself and he will. Having him lose for a couple of weeks is not the end of Adam Chandler.

And I don't even think Zach is trying to "dole out punishment." He saw an opportunity to best the competition and he went for it. I think the fact that the Chandlers are pissing their pants is a bonus. Zach's allowed to have his opinions, just like everyone else has their opinions about him. I doubt Zach's main concern is doling out punishment. If Zach didn't see an opportunity for financial/business gain, he would care less about the Chandlers. Zach's a game player. The only reason for "doling out punishment" he might have is because of what JR did to Kendall last year. But other than that, it's whatever.

Edited July 8, 200718 yr by R Sinclair

I may not agree with your base argument but that was funny and so true.

Co-sign!

Umm JR deserves every painful thing that happens to him.

This man has terrorized Pine Valley over the entire course of Jacob Young's tenure on AMC. JR deserves everything that he gets and more so. This man has terrorized and put people's lives in jeopardy contiously. Have we forgotten that he almost killed two Kane women? That he has tried to hurt all of the Erica Kane's children? He has betrayed his family numerous times. He spat on Dixie's grave and chose to deny his mother her last dying wish just so he could cut Little Adam's mother out of his life and scar him irrevocablly for life. He has betrayed both of his father's. First by keeping Tad from his child and then by lying to Adam and trying to con him into raising a child that wasn't his and then choosing to cut Adam out of a company that he built with his own two hands.

JR has affectively sucked all the wealth and fourtune out of the chandler name just because daddy was angry over his very own betrayal!

I'm not even going to go over all the people he has put in danger and who he has almost killed because it almost seems redundant at this point for me to keep saying it. This man has put children's lives in danger.

I am not to found of Zach eating the show and having a monopoly on all of Pine Valley's business but JR deserves to be put down and put out. Even if his demise is manufactured by Zach.

Babe, Jaime, Bianca, Tad, Ryan, Amanda, Kendell, Spike, Josh, Krystal, Erica, Zoe, Dixie, Zach, Ryan, Janet, ect. all deserve their revenge upon JR and if Zach is the one who finally brings this sadistic, sociopath down then i'm all for it. I once thought that JR needed to be around for the future of AMC. But I no longer think that's necessairy. With Colby around the Chandler legacy will stay in tact. JR can be written off. As long as the Kanes and Martin's (which are the shows main families) the show will go on.

Edited July 8, 200718 yr by Skin

Umm JR deserves every painful thing that happens to him.

This man has terrorized Pine Valley over the entire course of Jacob Young's tenure on AMC. JR deserves everything that he gets and more so. This man has terrorized and put people's lives in jeopardy contiously. Have we forgotten that he almost killed two Kane women? That he has tried to hurt all of the Erica Kane's children? He has betrayed his family numerous times. He spat on Dixie's grave and chose to deny his mother her last dying wish just so he could cut Little Adam's mother out of his life and scar him irrevocablly for life. He has betrayed both of his father's. First by keeping Tad from his child and then by lying to Adam and trying to con him into raising a child that wasn't his and then choosing to cut Adam out of a company that he built with his own two hands.

JR has affectively sucked all the wealth and fourtune out of the chandler name just because daddy was angry over his very own betrayal!

I'm not even going to go over all the people he has put in danger and who he has almost killed because it almost seems redundant at this point for me to keep saying it. This man has put children's lives in danger.

I am not to found of Zach eating the show and having a monopoly on all of Pine Valley's business but JR deserves to be put down and put out. Even if his demise is manufactured by Zach.

Babe, Jaime, Bianca, Tad, Ryan, Amanda, Kendell, Spike, Josh, Krystal, Erica, Zoe, Dixie, Zach, Ryan, Janet, ect. all deserve their revenge upon JR and if Zach is the one who finally brings this sadistic, sociopath down then i'm all for it. I once thought that JR needed to be around for the future of AMC. But I no longer think that's necessairy. With Colby around the Chandler legacy will stay in tact. JR can be written off. As long as the Kanes and Martin's (which are the shows main families) the show will go on.

Your avatar kills me. She looks ultra trashy there.

Edited July 8, 200718 yr by R Sinclair

Your avatar kills me. She looks ultra trashy there.

Maybe she did need a change.

That avatar was from 2005 when she lived in an automechanic's garage.

Edited July 8, 200718 yr by Skin

Maybe she did need a change.

ROTFLMAO!

Waaaay too many jokes entered my head to be able to compute!

I have a question: how is Zach stealing Adam's company/house any worse then Adam stealing a newborn and handing her over to a mentally unstable person? What did Jenny do to Adam? Dared to be born. LOL. Adam had no right to do that even if Tad and Krystal did wrong by him....that is a big reason why I can't feel sorry for Adam.

Edited July 8, 200718 yr by Laurie

What did Jenny do to Adam? Dared to be born.

I don't know about Adam, but that's enough for me. Another Carey Girl? BLECK!

I liked Beall at first, too. I am a fan of GH's longtime scriptwriter, Mary Sue Price, who is fantastic at writing confrontation scenes. There is so much attitude, no holds barred, and I love it! I mean, to any gay male soap watcher, that is just to die for! One of my favorites from Price is when Brenda and Skye had a little catfight in November of 2002.

Skye:

Jax and I made love tonight -- and it was fabulous.

Brenda:

Well, that's great, Skye. Good to know. Last time I saw you in bed with Jax, you had all your clothes on. So, I'm sorry, just explain this to me. How do you working girls do that? You just hike your skirt up, right?

Skye:

Gee, Brenda, I guess you'd know better than anyone. But, seriously, either way works for me.

But, after the 5,032nd time, it's like, ENOUGH!

As much as I loved the scene and this part I find it utterly cliched. The formula for this type of communication between two people can be defined in many ways (A: We made love. (A statement supposed to piss somebody off.) B: Really? (irony) And how exactly did you do it - like ***** (offence and a supposed get-back.) A: You should know. And so on...) This is one of the reasons the soap operas are dying (correction, they're dead already), the dialogue has become absolute crap and cliche all over the place, not a single one genuine line, and most of the time it's ironic if not sarcastic, which is funny for awhile, then it just becomes painful and boring. To conclude:

But, after the 5,032nd time, it's like, ENOUGH!

Catfights, camp and so on... That's what certain soap operas do well, but some should do it once ina blue moon. Where are the emotional truths and engrossing stories? Gone. Like the snows of yesteryear.

Edited July 9, 200718 yr by Sylph