Y&R Discussion: Week of May 7

[ATWTCarOn4Ever]

Amber looked so stupid and whorish today that I almost threw up. Everything from her hair to her makeup to those horrid clothes screamed disgusting. IF I were Katherine Chancellor I would have had Amber elminated weeks ago. That is one hot mess and if Cane isn't careful shes gonna end up preggers soon and have her claws hooked into the Chancellors forever. Not a good thought.

No hun. I'm sorry but Saint Sharon and your beloved Drucilla are the ones responsible for her death. Phyllis didn't push Dru. She didn't drag Dru to the cliff and throw her off. She most certainly didn't invite Dru to open her big mouth and barge in on a private conversation. No one is calling Phyllis a saint. Least of all her supporters. But Phyllis is 10 million times better than that slut Sharon and if Dru had had ANY brains or self restraint she wuold have controlled herself and not gotten involved.

ITA. Drucilla made a stupid decision and decided to amplify an already tense situation and then it backfires and all of sudden Phyllis is at fault? Doesn't sound fair at all. But people will say anything to hate Phyllis that much more. I'm SO sick and tired of Sharon acting like the victim all the time. Its beyond annoying. In fact its quite pathetic. Make up your mind whore. Do you love that smug !@#$%^&*] they call Bradley? If so then go ahead and be with him and put us all out of misery. Too bad hes already accomplished his mission of planting his seed in the Newman Garden. Now he'll probably be tied to them forever. ...SICK.

I also wish they'd show Daniel masturbating to the porn. Are we really supposed to take this storyline serious? I laughed when Jack started off on him saying, "Umm look son. According to Tech you've been watching porn...." Absolutely ridiculous. And are you guys telling me that hes jacking off in the OFFICE!? Disgusting and completely unacceptable.

I hate Michael so much right now. I hope Ji Min beats the crap out of him soon. Or at least gets revenge one of these days. Victor looked so smug today. But in the cute way. I actually don't know who I want to win between Jack and Victor.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

The craptastic scene for all of you debating it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WdHX6y5EwM

[Roman]

IMPO,

It is the fault of two people.

Dru AND Phyllis.

They can't stand each other because of one reason. They are exactly alike. Phyllis is worse than Dru on some levels of course, but both of them are big mouth, selfish busybodies who do nothing but stick their noses in other people's business and then don't feel the hammer should fall on them when they get busted. Where Dru beats Phyllis by 3 miles is that she loved her children deeply. I know Phyllis loves Daniel, but Dru, IMO, would kill Godzillaif he F'ed with one of her kids.

That day was on both of them, IMO. Period. That was not Phyllis's business to constantly throw that up in Sharon's cheating ass face all the time after she found out, and I have to asl myself the question - if it had been anyone else who found out but Phyllis, would Dru have gotten involved that day? I know she felt she was sticking up for her friend, which was very admirable for her to do, but that was between those two.

Dru paid for that day on the cliff, and Phyllis is paying for it now. What a tangled web we weave....

[Sweet_VeeVee24]

All I know is this and I hope we can go on to something else cause my little head is hurtin from all this Phyllis talk

Although I love me some Phyllis, Phyllis caused the chain reaction to the events that occured. However, Sharon and Brad can't be out of it either, because the minute Phyllis blackmailed them, they could have nipped it in the bud and put her out of commission...They chose to go through with being blackmailed, all the while bitchin and moaning about how they want to make her pay....they had that chance the minute she got all up in their faces waving their affair in their faces.

Dru, being Dru, wasnt' going to let her friend get pushed around by Phyllis, so she got involved....Granted, she was Sharon's friend and she felt the need to help her, but Sharon is a grown woman that was grown enough to get her butt in the mess she got herself into (she knew that her affair would come busting out eventually) and Dru didn't need to fight her battles for her....but I like Dru so, it was expected for her to get up in the biz...

As to the whole cliff accident? I say that it would have never happened if Phyllis hadn't went up in Sharon's face and taunted her with calling Jack...but I also have to say Sharon is at fault too because she could have just done something other than reaching for that phone....

You know, I guess I just don't care as to who is to be at real fault...Phyllis is going to eventually face some music (even if it is brief) and Sharon is going ot face some drama because of it all. The only fool not paying some is Brad, who's walking around interloping in other folks business still, and acting like getting between Sharon's legs was 'nothin'

[Roman]

But, I'll also add this. If Sharon had not of cheating with The Pretender.....

[DeeeDee]

No they aren't. The ONLY similarities they share are SURFACE level at best.

No. Drucilla has willingly taken ALL of her lumps & suffered unnecessarily for others. Unlike Phyllis who NEVER confesses and ALWAYS lies about everything until she's caught.

Pretty much.

That day was on both of them, IMO. Period.

She wouldn't have to because NO ONE ELSE would be doin what Phyllis was doin to Sharon.

Sharon included Drucilla when she confided in Dru.

No.

Phyllis isn't paying for anything she's already b!tchy & judgemental to Sharon as well as cocky about Michael winnin the case.

And when the upcoming "Tragic Event" occurs any & all consequences for her felonies will be excused.

..As usual.

[Roman]

So, IYO, Dru is not at fault one single bit. For nothing.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

LOL! Dru's never at fault for anything. I mean people can talk about how Phyllis fans excuse her actions, but Dru fans are just as bad.

I remember a year ago, a lot of the Dru defenders here were upset that Neil was being so mean and upset to her. Um, he had every right to be, Dru did lie to him and tried to cover up Lily's paternity and her one-night stand with Malcolm. But of course, Neil was being one big monster and Dru was completely innocent.

[DeeeDee]

Nope.

Phyllis is. Period.

She didn't have to.

She brought a personal situation into work & continued to pursue it despite it havin no relevance what so ever.

It wasn't a private conversation & as previously stated Sharon had already brought Drucilla into the situation by confidin in her.

And that SHARON & PHYLLIS were the first ones to raise their voices, not Drucilla.

They don't have to (though they do more often than not).

They just free pass any & everything she does while destroyin the integrity of every OTHER character to do so.

Had any brains or self restraint?

Who feels it's ok to concieve & pass off a child by ONE man as another man?

Who feels it's ok to CONSTANTLY drug people?

Who feels it's ok to KIDNAP people?

Who feels it's acceptable to run people over with a car?

Who feels it's constantly acceptable to assault people?

Who CONSTANLY committs adultery then attempts to justify it by makin the wife/girlfriend into a paper saint?

Who constantly committs felony after felony with no regard for the law or anyone else's happiness?

If ANYONE "lacks brains or self restraint" it's PHYLLIS.

Drucilla was attemptin to assist a friend & do what they were there to do. WORK.

Phyllis wouldn't know fair if it ran her over with a car.

Eh. No.

There's a HUGE difference between criticizin a character with FACTS & "hatin" on a character.

If you don't like Sharon then that's fine.

But don't get mad that despite everything Phyllis is a total & complete sociopath & every character (and the entire show as a whole) has to be destroyed to keep her on the show.

[DeeeDee]

No one said that.

She's a flawed human being like the rest of the characters on the show.

But in this particular instance she wasn't at fault.

[Sweet_VeeVee24]

Can we shelve the Phyllis/Drucilla debate for a bit.... I'm not taking away from anyone's opinions or views, but it's becoming the primary focus at this point and I don't want anyone to become offended because they have a difference of views/opinions about a epsiode that has happened weeks ago....

I'm going to pose a question because I have one about this week's show.... Do you all think that the writing is on the wall for Ji Min? I mean, we know that he's the key component to bringing down Jack, so once that is done, where does he go from here?

[Q Steph]

Neil had a right to be nagry with Dru. He was at fault for stringing Dru along as he flirted and had an emotional affair with Carmen. If he couldn't forgive Dru, that would be one thing. But he played her to the left so many times with his "friend" and acted shocked when Dru flipped. Neil was irresponsible with Dru's feelings, allowing her to have false hope. He should've been man enough to quit Dru instead of wanting to guilt trip her at every chance and still have a jump off.

[DeeeDee]

Wait. Who's excusin Drucilla for anything?

Especially since she's a character who was subsequently treated like CRAP for bein raped.

Drucilla was RAPED. That was NOT a one night stand. And when she went to the OB/GYN the doctor informed her she might not ever be able to concieve again & that Lily might be her only chance to have a child.

So while Neil can rightfully be angry that she didn't tell him about Lily's POSSIBLE paternity, he can't be angry at her for sleepin with Malcolm.

Especially since she did it for THEM in the first place.

[DeeeDee]

Exactly.

If he wanted to end the relationship & pursue one with Carmen, that would've been perfectly fine.

But he chose to stay & "honor" his marriage so he shouldn't be suprised or upset when Drucilla has a problem with him flirtin & emotionally cheatin with Carmen at the same time.

[Q Steph]

I liked Ji Min holding his own against Michael/Victor. I was so sleepy when Y&R aired earlier today, but their scenes got my blood pressure up.

Perhaps TGVN will hold true to his word and convince Katherine to keep him at Jabot where he and Jill can break some of the desks over lunch.

That may be irrelevant if Lauren just opens her miserable trap and confesses that Gloria is the guilty party. That way Ji min could be free of the threats and Jack could own Jabot free and clear without the threat of litigation.