Members rxcats Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 I don't think that a woman should be forced to go through a 9 month pregnancy and childbirth (and all of the physical/emotional risk/pain) just because the father wants her to. I also don't believe the father should have no obligation (financial or otherwise) because he "didn't want it". I really don't see it as a double standard unless the father is going to gestate the baby for half of the pregnancy. I do, however, feel that the father should have some rights to the child once it is born. If the mother does not want to keep the baby, the father should automatically be entitled to assume custody. Even if the mother does want the child, she should not be able to exclude the father even if it is more convenient for her to. By the way, I am male, so this is a male perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mateo22 Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 ITA~! And I don't think that anyone is really ProAbortion, everyone one wants to save life, but it's a woman's body~! All I can do is roll my eyes at this man. We need a major change already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 I persoanlly could never have an abortion. But I have no right to tell another woman that she can't. That's what this comes down to for me. Every woman having a right, and a choice to do what is best for her. It's not about being pro-abortion or anti-abortion even, it's about having options and being able to have a say in her life. People need to stop trying to govern the country with their individual religious belief's. I'm thisclose to moving to Canada and if someone like McCain gets into power, I'm as good as gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 When will people realize that abortion=population control? LOL. On a serious note, I think the first trimester is a good window of time to decide whether or not you want a kid. After that, just keep the damn baby in you until you give birth. You're already showing, what else do you have to lose? What turns my stomach is thinking about partial birth abortions, where they take the fully grown and developed baby and kill it as it's coming out of the mom. WTF is the point in that? Just give the baby up for adoption, sell it on the black market, anything but that! My God! Even though I'm not a woman, I think that sealed McCain's fate for me. Guess if he runs, I'll be for SURE voting Dems like I always do. Gay marriage isn't even as hot button for me as abortion. If a woman makes an oops, then let her deal with it. Keep unwanted babies in babyland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 Roe doesn't include partial birth abortions. It only legalizes abortions in the first trimester, with provisions for the second under certain circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brandeis Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 Then wear a freaking condom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mateo22 Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 ^^I love you Bradeis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rxcats Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 I have to agree. Partial birth abortions turn my stomach. At some point, it is too late to change your mind. A nurse friend of mine has told me stories of delivering "live" abortions that were induced with prostaglandins. Prostaglandins induce labor but are not lethal to the fetus like the old hypertonic saline method. They would just put a towel over fetus/premature infant until it stopped breathing so they didn't have to look at it. Crushing the scull prevents that from happening I guess but is certainly unethical by my standard. The only justification I could think of would be if it was necessary to save the mother's life. I think most abortions occur in the first trimester and are less grusome. I still think abortion is a tragity but I am not in favor of reversing Roe v Wade or forcing the pregnant woman or girl to be a the mercy of her boyfriend regarding carrying the baby to term. I do, however, think men have every right to have their opinion on this matter. I find it somewhat annoying when a man's opinion is just dismissed because "he isn't the one who gets pregnant". That would be like saying post-menopausal women, women who have had hysterectomies and infertile women also can't voice their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brandeis Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 I love you back! Are you still considering moving? How are the kitties? I must admit the "little guy" is driving me crazy with his rodent toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 I don't think that Roe is saying women have the only say, it's giving us some say. Many pro-choice supporters would say it's very important for the father to be involved in the entire decision making process, whatever it may be. That's not discouraged. What McCain wants to do, is take all choice or safe choice from women and put it ultimately in the hands of men. Because lets face it, who are the main law makers, men. Why does John McCain care what I do with my body or my baby? How does it really hurt him? And just so we're clear about all of this, Roe does NOT legalize anything more then first trimester abortions. It gives provisions for conditions in which second trimester abortions can be legally be preformed, but does not make them legal. So Roe has nothing to do with partial birth abortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mateo22 Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 Not to get too off topic, but moving is still up in the air and it wouldn't be until early next year, just had a lot of stuff come falling down around me since the start of the year... and the cats are doing great, those little aliens but, back on topic: I do agree, use a condom, I mean yes, in a perfect world, things would be different, but a guy doesn't have to actually give birth to the baby. If abortion is the planned route, then, yes, the earlier the better, and hopefully you have a partner who fully supports you in your decision. :steps off his soapbox:: and ETA: yaya, you gave me my 1,600th post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brandeis Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 Men need to use condoms, period... or DOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 The only way that we'll make any progress in limiting abortions is to teach and practice safe sex. ITA, about condom's, hell, double up, condoms and the pill, it's twice as much protection. Ultimately, preventing pregnancy is the way to go. But giving women a say in things if she ends up needing one, isn't wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brandeis Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 Doncha just love the little aliens? Mine is driving me nuts with little toy rodents but he's not making other little aliens. Yes! Some women are !@#$%^&*]es and want to get pregnant. USE A RUBBER! My brother is a gay male (he's really cute, Mateo) and he's just a tad older than me but he's smart - WHEN IN DOUBT, USE A CONDOM! It works for straight people too. Any animal can reproduce. If you don't want to, take precautions, and assume your partner hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted February 20, 2007 Members Share Posted February 20, 2007 I'm not understanding who's saying not to have safe sex? And for the record, people do get pregnant even using condoms. My mom got pregnant TWICE on the pill. So nothing is 100%. But safe sex is always the best method to prevent the abortion debate in the first place. One of the most informative places I ever went concerning sex, was Planned Parenthood. You even say "abstenience" in the building, and they'll laugh at you. LOL The problem isn't abortion, it's sending our youth out into the world uneducated and naive about sex. If we take the taboo off sex, stop stigmatizing it as something bad, and start teaching how to have it safely (because they are doing it) then we might finally make strides to minimzing abortion to the level where it doesn't have to be legal to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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