Also, using the Bible as evidence is just misguided because the Bible was written by MEN! Of course they're going to cast women in a negative light. From the beginning to the end, the Bible is filled with misogynist rhetoric.

Why does Eve get all the blame for them getting kicked out of Eden? Maybe Adam was the one who ate the forbidden fruit. Of course, that's not going to be mentioned when men are the ones writing the stories.

Sarah wanting children, so God gave her the menstrual cycle?? Oh geez, thanks God!! How nice to associate children with a monthly burden.

I just wrote a paper about the Bible beig manipulated. It is completely written by a man for a man.

‘In the beginning, there was God and the word was with God.’ This sacred text is often the introductory preamble to many Bibles, King James and modern. These opening lines validate the proceeding passages which offer believers a foundation by which to live their lives and preserve their better natures against basic instincts. It is no easy task as the infirmities of man is the reason why God’s only begotten son, Jesus, was crucified on the cross. Or at the very least, that’s what religious doctrine conveys; but other than faith, how can any of these scriptures be trusted as actually being derived from God? The Bible has no copyright recognition; moreover, there have been so many different versions of the written word. Why so many if the gospel is supposed to be absolute and invulnerable to skepticism? The answer may lie with the messenger or more appropriately those who have conveyed the ancient edicts throughout the centuries.

It is almost blasphemous to suggest that the inspired template to righteous living is a grand illusion perpetuated by man since the beginning of civilization. God himself is divine but as his disciples, humans are by definition infallible; not always faithful to the decrees transcribed on stones. Therefore, it would stand to reason that if man is so innately flawed, so are their motives; especially in regards to being held in prominence. Many have established new world orders on the belief that they are prophets of God, leading to casualties in the loss of human life. 9/11 is one such extreme example. If God is so pure, how can his alleged words be the trigger to such suffering and strife? Maybe they’re not his words after all.

Moses, Jeremiah, Joshua and the rest of the holy rollers may have repeated God’s commands to followers word for word, but humans can’t fight their nature. They’re prone to mistakes and many words have been lost in translation. There are so many languages and each has its own dialect, carrying different connotations that differ from original sentiment. It wouldn’t be the greatest in mankind if certain scriptures were shortened, lengthened or altered verse to help provide clarification and greater understanding to the average person. Some words may have been taken away or added, but after a certain point, the question does beg to be asked: Is all this editing truly an innocent gesture or malfeasance by those who have biases?

The benefit of doubt is hard to extend when the corrupt nature of man is considered, but it’s not always the sinner who is pointed out as being hell bound but those who raise the finger. Many men of the cloth operate as deities standing in the almighty and pass judgment on other mortals who have fallen short. It is no secret that religion is the invisible hand by which society functions. Religion is the very backbone as citizens grip their Bible’s in times of crisis or to reaffirm their conscience. The mores they’ve been told in church should be reinforced. Prescribed models of behavior orated by clergymen should be read to maintain what is spoken in church. If not, believers begin to accumulate doubts as to whether or not what they’re bring told is a lie or at worse tantamount to brainwashing. If you hear something long enough, it becomes ingrained in the psyche, but such retention needs to be nurtured. If not, it stands to reason that doubts arise which is not acceptable when ‘God said so’ should be suffice to true believers.

I'm currently not engaged in a sexual relationship, but if I were, I'd like to reach an orgasmic high without having to worry about an unplanned pregnancy. Condoms, birth control, etc are not full proof. I'd like to have sex for the pleasure of it all--no procreation.

Furthermore, despite the criterion given, I still don't consider a fetus is a living human being that can function outside of its mother's womb. Just as I don't consider a comatose person to be vitally alive when they're hooked up by machines; the patient is merely occupying a body but they're a vegetable.

Greg, I agree that life would be better if A LOT of people had been aborted. Maybe 9/11 would've never happened.

Edited February 21, 200718 yr by Q Steph

I just wrote a paper about the Bible beig manipulated. It is completely written by a man for a man.

I'm currently not engaged in a sexual relationship, but if I were, I'd like to reach an orgasmic high without having to worry about an unplanned pregnancy. Condoms, birth control, etc are not full proof. I'd like to have sex for the pleasure of it all--no procreation.

Furthermore, despite the criterion given, I still don't consider a fetus is a living human being that can function outside of its mother's womb. Just as I don't consider a comatose person to be vitally alive when they're hooked up by machines; the patient is merely occupying a body but they're a vegetable.

Greg, I agree that life would be better if A LOT of people had been aborted. Maybe 9/11 would've never happened.

Steph, will you marry me?

Perhaps we should just solve this whole problem and castriate people who are deemed too immature to take care of children.

Some states are actually considering and even implenting this tactic.

A crack addicted mother, black, was forced by the courts to have her tubes tied. Granted, she should not be caring for any children, but this decision was well out of bounds.

Steph, will you marry me?

But of course.

But of course.

Good. We'll set a date.

I hope you don't mind my dating men though.

Good. We'll set a date.

I hope you don't mind my dating men though.

As long as he's got a brother for me, we'll have orgy's.

As long as he's got a brother for me, we'll have orgy's.

Screw setting the date. Let's elope to Vegas ASAPenis.

I have no doubt in my mind that if men were the ones who had children, abortion would be in the Bill of Rights.

It is my body. I can do with it what I want. I choose to be responsible about sex. I use the most efficient birth control out there next too getting my tubes tied. Abortion cannot be generalized. Every case is different so before anyone makes sweeping cases of it is evil, it has to be outlawed, abortion needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. Which is why it should stay legal.

Question, if my partner wanted to get a vasectomy can he? It's his body. What if he didn't tell me and I wanted to have kids.

A Vascetomy is not the same as aborition, it is the same as "tubes being tied" though.

Not even a good comparision.

Unwanted children are EVERYONES responsability not just people who believe that life is a good thing.

I believe they should have and be given the same chance to live and survive just like those of us were given.

If you do not want an "unwanted" child, then grow up, act responsibly and protect yourself.

Simple as that. It should not be used as a form of birth control.

Are we saying that we should give a free pass to women because they do not take the time to stop themselves from getting pregnant?

Its YOUR body, why don't YOU protect it? The only thing I am hearing from the other side is...it is my body, I can decide to keep or terminate a future life, but its not my fault I got pregnant, he was not wearing a condom, or men don't know what it is like to be pregnant....

Excuses....own up to the fact you screwed up as well....protect it...thats all....do it and stop aborting future lives. Simple as that.

Truth be told EVERYONE should use protection anyway.....too many diseases out there.

Kwing, my only problem with your constant stance on protect yourself is, even when you do, no amount of protection is guaranteed. What then?

I used to like and respect John McCain, but no more. His supporting of W and his war and now wanting to end Roe V. Wade, shows that McCain is just another lying neo-con.

JointStrike, the posters against you on this board are 100% right and they've posted great reasoning for it. I also hate both of your banners btw. Bo Brady is a good father, Chelsea, the kid murderer is a pitiful excuse for a daughter. Also Babe IS NOT love, she's LYING and WHORING, but not LOVE.

My body and reprodcutcive functions does not involve you or an other man, woman or everyone. You(Pro-lifers) have no entitlement to govern the decisions I make as though I'm your child or some kind of slave. I am my own erson and quite able to form my own choices without the input or interference of others who simply have a different opinion. Do not impose it on me because I won't be imprisoned by a mentlaity I find fault with. I'm a person of faith, but I have so many questions that can't be explained away by God said so. Therefore, religious doctrine should not be the end all, be all because no man walking earth is upright, righteous and sin free to declare that his word is almight. I satisfy my own conscience; not pander to a consensus in order to validate my own feelings and ultimately choices.

If I want to have an abortion, that's my business.

Furthermore, an issue like abortion mirrors other hot topics such as gay marriage. Two men can't get married because some politician in Washington who has never stepped foot in your home decides it's what best for everyone?! Once upon a time, sitting in the back of the bus was also such a mandate that ultimately needed to be reversed.

I also do not believe that life begins at conception. It's a fetus. If you cannot substain life on your own, you are not a living entity. You can't murder a fetus. Harsh as it may sound, but it's just a bunch of cells with potential.

I also don't believe in prolonged life support. I refuse to be a corpse who only substain itself throgh the use of machines. That's not living! Those who involved themselves in the Terri Schiavo should forever be changed for taking a personal matter into fodder for votes.

Birth and children are truly a blessing, but not everyone is ready for the responsibility. I won't be forced into it just because the condom broke or I was raped. I certianly don't advocate abortion as a means of birth control; I have issues with late term abrtions outside the mother's health, but ultimately, that is not my choice. I can only decided for myself and others should be given the same consideraion in a suppossedly free country. Women have rights. We're not 3/5's, we can vote, we're equal and not submissive to the will of men who think they know everything. I'm not impressed that just because a man has a penis, I'm therefore deemed incompetent to know my own mind.

I can't stand this patriarhal, racist and bigoted society sometimes. But as long as I'm living here, my rights will not be usurped. I'll burn all my bras before that ever happens. There have been too many progressions made in the owmen's right's movement for some politician who wants to be President can fosake choice because it's not his own.

There have been rare, but documented, medical marvels where a fetus thought to not be viable, has sustained itself -- in snow, too.

And I don't know if you have seen pictures of fetuses in the first trimester, but they're more than just a bunch of cells. Obviously, a life is forming. Something that is not living cannot grow and evolve. There clearly is life there.

And again, WHY must we use terms like "patriarchal?" Just because Planned Parenthood, NARAL and pro-choice America likes people to THINK straight, evil male politicians are trying to take these rights away, there are just as many pro-life women as there are men! It's an outrageous argument.

If no men felt they had "rights" to women's bodies and they used a rubber, no one would have to worry about helpless and innocent.

and if you had to carry one in your body you might be less inclined to believe it is an independent life. And even if it is a life from day one of conception what obligates ME to it? Because the father says so? Let him carry it in his body.

As usual the men think they have all the answers but they'll never have to do the long haul. If I were straight I'd want you guys (not you lovable guys, str8 guys) to use a condom to protect me from disease as well as pregnancy, even if I was on the pill.

What should obligate every women to it is nature. It's natural. That's not a bad thing, although some of us have been led to believe it is by the false notion that having a fetus killed is somehow empowering or an expression of equal rights among the sexes.

As for the "let him carry it" argument, again, that's not possible! So until fetus transfers/transplants are possible, we can !@#$%^&*] all we want!

Since when is a person required to use their "gift" to benefit another. Especially when it does pose emotional and physical risk to the gift giver. It isn't that I don't understand your frustration; I also get annoyed with the idea that men don't have a right to an opinion on the subject because they lack a uterus. I just believe that it is the person most directly effected that has the choice ultimately..not her parents, boyfriend, preacher or President. I understand your platform, you believe that the embryo or fetus is a fully a sentient human life. I just do not agree with that assessment. If I did, I would agree that all abortions should stop no matter what (rape, incest, etc). I believe that early stage pregnancies are not sentient humans but rather potentially sentient humans and consequently the mother takes precedence. We could argue that point until the cows come home and never come to an agreement.

Well, that's one of my views, yes. But even if that weren't true -- that the fetus is sentient -- I still disagree with abortion on the principle of sucking out, tearing limb from limp, dismembering our own kind. It's just too cannibalistic.