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Hogan's Days

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I also think it does no harm to speak our minds about what we may not like so far, just in the name of critical honesty, though it doesn't personally make sense to me to take it to the extreme and lambast the man for it, and ignore the logistics of the situation. Short of that, I think there's a happy medium.

Exactly. This bears repeating to both sides of the debate. ;)

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Yes, Ponz and I agree. It's perfectly fine for everyone to speak out on what they like and dislike. It's ok to be critical. However, some fans do need to note that Hogan has alot of work ahead of him and he inherited a mess and it is going to take time. Once he weeds out all of JER's stuff and once Hogan really gets going, then Days will be fine. There are some fans who thought the couples would be back together and that everything would change overnight and there were also some who are already on Hogan's case about the ratings and lack of story movement and excitement. I think everyone sees those points but sometimes you wonder if they all remember and acknowledge the circumstances Hogan has to deal with. It's only going on two months and the show has struggled with consistency for years so it's going to take time.

The show is so much better right now then it has been in a long time and some want more then what we are getting. That is fine and it will come but fans do need to show some restraint and patience. I think many of us expected too much too soon and forgot what would have to be done to get the show in shape. Express opinions and be critical of the show but let's not all get on Hogan so fast. That is the only thing that gets under my skin :lol: .

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I agree too that it doesn't hurt to discuss things and have opinions on them. And I don't feel it is too early to discuss what people like about Hogan's work and what they don't like.

As I have tried to tell some I still catch the show from time to time. Last week I watched more than I have watched in a long time. I watched 3 of the 5 shows last week. I just finished watching Friday's show for a 2nd time on SoapNet this morning. Sad to say I still missed all 3 times it was on the Thursday episode that I so wanted to watch.

It is just my opinion but Days is still not for me. There are a lot of things I like but there are still so many things I don't. I agree with King and others the show is just boring to me. Friday's was equal with what ATWT has been lately and it has been a big snoozefest. And I am one who loves Family moments and hardly ever find them boring. I love that just like ATWT the day to day writing is a lot better.

I will still disagree that Hogan inherited a mess. A lot of the mess had been cleaned up before he got there. I know that he is still working with JER's stories, but while Beth was there she was able to make JER's stories interesting. Hogan has not done that for me yet. I don't know what the difference is but since June, Beth's time on the show is the only time that I have enjoyed the show. I loved Days during Zach's death this year, then the show got terrible, it got really messed up during the "ghost writer", and then greatly improved under Beth.

Hogan has done some things good. He has been better at letting fans know what is going on with the show, and I like that. He writes family stuff good, and mixes things up. I like that. I like seeing different people interact with one another. He is really good at that, and he is doing a good job (in the few times that I watch) setting stories up. He has always been good at that though.

I think his biggest mistakes have been bringing in new characters right from the start. They were not needed from the get go of his tenure. He should have come in and concentrated on the departures he had to take care of, sure up existing characters, and then after the show got out of transition (as many are calling it) gradually introduced new characters. I know some will say that except for Willow the other characters are not new or are tied to existing families - it still does not matter they are new to the majority of the new viewers or this generation of viewers.

During this transition period Days fans have had to accept 5 new characters: EJ, Stephanie, Willow, Nick Fallon, and Benji. Plus to many new fans they have had to be reintroduced to Steve and Kayla. That is alot while a show is in transition. And 3 of them in Hogan's first 6 weeks on the show. Add to that getting used to a new Shawn D, and saying goodbye to old favorites.

My daughter that still watches some says it just seems like there are too many new faces on the show to get used too.

Having to take time to establish new characters and reintroduce them to a new audience takes away from the stories too. And all the changes at one time is a turn off for many viewers. I think he should have spaced them out some more. JMO

I think the biggest thing that I love about Days is the fact that it is better from day to day. That is what I hated most under JER - the day to day writing. It sucked. Now the diologue makes so much more sense, and the characters don't seem so dumb. I know alot of that is due to Hogan, but it was already greatly improved under Beth.

In the few times I have watched the show in the last 5 weeks (probably about 12 episodes in full) the things I hate the most are WILLOW, and I absolutely detest the character of Stepahnie now. She made me so sick on Friday's show. I can't believe that Hogan studied the history of Days and still decided to go this route with Stephanie. I mean this story with her has already been done twice on Days with Sami and Chelsea. If Stephanie is going to stay around, she needs more to do than whine about her parents.

I know that many will not even want to read my opinions on the show. I will always hold a special place for Days in my heart, and I always wanted the show to be better. And I still do. I do not want to see if fail. Hogan and I just disagree with the direction the show wants to go in. I still wish him well with the show, and hope that it can come out of it's ratings doldrums. Hell I want all of daytime to do that. I just think he is going to have to do alot better than he is now to get many of Days fans to come back. And just bringing back old favorites is not the answer either. You have got to step up the stories or the viewers that come back for the returns are just going to go away again.

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Hogan did inherit a mess. And he's done such a great job turning it around. The show is crisper and so much more fresh. It's improved on a daily basis tremendously. However, it is boring. I've been saying all of this for a few weeks, but people who are loving DAYS right now are just focusing on how I'm saying it's boring. One thing JER never had a problem doing was setting up stories, it's the execution of the climaxes and....well, actually GETTING to a climax that he sucked at. Hoagie should have done a balance of setting up his own stories and climaxing JER's, instead of just focusing on setting up all new stories.

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I'd rather have boring and realistic character movement than boring and outrageous storylines, repetitive dialogue and constant flashbacks. But that's just me. :)

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Express opinions and be critical of the show but let's not all get on Hogan so fast. That is the only thing that gets under my skin :lol: .

It bothers me too. Some of those bashing Hogan clearly have an agenda and are looking for reasons to slate him. However, you need to distinguish between those people and those who are just taking a critical approach. No headwriter is perfect and it would be silly to pretend that Hogan's touch has turned everything to gold. Every HW has to take hundreds of creative decisions and it's only natural that he will get some of them wrong. Those of us who point to the lack of excitement aren't denying that the show has improved immensely under his tenure. No one should be put under pressure to rationalise every decision of his that they don't like. I'm sure Hogan wouldn't want that, either. He seems like a no bullshit kind of guy.

Steve: Great points, BTW!!

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It bothers me too. Some of those bashing Hogan clearly have an agenda and are looking for reasons to slate him. However, you need to distinguish between those people and those who are just taking a critical approach. No headwriter is perfect and it would be silly to pretend that Hogan's touch has turned everything to gold. Every HW has to take hundreds of creative decisions and it's only natural that he will get some of them wrong. Those of us who point to the lack of excitement aren't denying that the show has improved immensely under his tenure. No one should be put under pressure to rationalise every decision of his that they don't like. I'm sure Hogan wouldn't want that, either. He seems like a no bullshit kind of guy.

Steve: Great points, BTW!!

And great points from you, Ponz.

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It bothers me too. Some of those bashing Hogan clearly have an agenda and are looking for reasons to slate him. However, you need to distinguish between those people and those who are just taking a critical approach. No headwriter is perfect and it would be silly to pretend that Hogan's touch has turned everything to gold. Every HW has to take hundreds of creative decisions and it's only natural that he will get some of them wrong. Those of us who point to the lack of excitement aren't denying that the show has improved immensely under his tenure. No one should be put under pressure to rationalise every decision of his that they don't like. I'm sure Hogan wouldn't want that, either. He seems like a no bullshit kind of guy.

Steve: Great points, BTW!!

Great post Ponz. I agree with everything you said and I know I come on strongly at times but that is because I love the show way too much and this is the happiest I have been in years. I never thought I would get this Days back again and I have. The only thing I disagree with you on is people having to back up or rationalize their opinions about the show. There is a reason why someone likes or doesn't like something so if they post they like or dislike something they should explain why. Just like when I say I like something, I always post why I felt that way. That helps point out things to others and eliminates the possibility of people takign words the wrong way. That was my problem intially with some who found the show boring. They merely posted it was boring and lacked action but didn't explain what they were looking for or why they felt that way. When they did do that, I better understood what they were seeing and while I disagreed I could at least understand it. That is all I am saying. Being critical is fine but part of being critical is explaining or backing up the points you make and that really helps discussions along. I agree with everything in your post except that.

I will make a better effort to distinguish those with an agenda and those will no agenda but it's hard at times because there are so many who only want their couples together and could care less about the stories or the writing.

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Great post Ponz. I agree with everything you said and I know I come on strongly at times but that is because I love the show way too much and this is the happiest I have been in years. I never thought I would get this Days back again and I have. The only thing I disagree with you on is people having to back up or rationalize their opinions about the show. There is a reason why someone likes or doesn't like something so if they post they like or dislike something they should explain why. Just like when I say I like something, I always post why I felt that way. That helps point out things to others and eliminates the possibility of people takign words the wrong way. That was my problem intially with some who found the show boring. They merely posted it was boring and lacked action but didn't explain what they were looking for or why they felt that way. When they did do that, I better understood what they were seeing and while I disagreed I could at least understand it. That is all I am saying. Being critical is fine but part of being critical is explaining or backing up the points you make and that really helps discussions along. I agree with everything in your post except that.

Oh no, I agree completely with you there. I just meant that there shouldn't be pressure for people to put a positive spin on everything Hogan writes. I agree that one should always make the effort to substantiate an opinion...whether positive OR negative. As you say, that is what makes for good discussions. :)

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The difference about the show now and a few months ago is that it has more ... feist (sp?). It's more expressive.

What I love most is that the Evans/Black women are feistier and more expressive. Marlena is fighting for the man she loves and she's not letting things happen to her, she's taking charge of her life. Sami is realizing that she might just be happier if she let happiness just happen instead of forcing it. Belle isen't letting people decide her life for her, she's taking charge.

Still a few bad things, but good things take time.

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It bothers me too. Some of those bashing Hogan clearly have an agenda and are looking for reasons to slate him. However, you need to distinguish between those people and those who are just taking a critical approach. No headwriter is perfect and it would be silly to pretend that Hogan's touch has turned everything to gold. Every HW has to take hundreds of creative decisions and it's only natural that he will get some of them wrong. Those of us who point to the lack of excitement aren't denying that the show has improved immensely under his tenure. No one should be put under pressure to rationalise every decision of his that they don't like. I'm sure Hogan wouldn't want that, either. He seems like a no bullshit kind of guy.

Steve: Great points, BTW!!

Thanks Ponz, and great points from you too.

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The show has made a HUGE improvement since Hogan took over. Never did an episode pass by before, where we didn't have at least one flashback. There was no concrete material before.

I don't mind the pace of the show one bit right now because I find it is much faster that what it used to be.

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JER may have left in June, but back then I thought it is going to take over a year to clean up the mess he left behind.

Here we are in November and that mess is nearly cleaned up and while things are a tad slow, more things are going on now then they did all year with Reilly (minus Zach story...which is the one true gem in JER latest stint).

Reilly is the SLOWEST writer on this planet, where were these complaints when he was writing the show? Seriously, DAYS was boring for basically 3 years he was HW, yet with worse dialouge, constant flashbacks, some horrible acting and cartoonish elements.

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DAYS may be slow in terms of individual episodes right now, but in terms of the actual storylines, I find the show much more fast paced. We would never have gotten as far as we have in the plots if JER were still writing. The one criticism of Hogan that I absolutely will agree on is Willow. She is horrible, and it was SUCH a bad idea to put her on contract. But knowing Hogan, she won't last long anyway, so it doesn't bother me that much. I guess it's just all relative to what you want, and I'm very content with what we have now (especially in comparison to the last three years).

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Not to be rude, but if Days fans are that unhappy with Hogan, I'll gladly give him a warm hug to come back to ATWT. I never wanted him to leave ATWT. He's done so much to make ATWT great. It took about a year for Hogan to get ATWT on track. Days will get "there", but it will take some time. He can't move his magic pen around and make Days #1. Saying to "fix" up Days is easier said than done. Why don't you try being a HW at Days and see how much vigorous work it is? Then you will see how much work and thought goes into writing.

BTW, I LOVED Hogan's work at ATWT and I'm willing to wait for him to repair Days. If you can watch JER's crap for so long, why can't you be a bit more patient with Hogan? His writing is excellent. I've seen a bit of Days and his stories aren't in "GO" yet. I see lots of JER's hack writing still. Hogan's touching it up, but the JER remains are present. It's going to take some time to exterminate everything JER. Once Hogan's stories are in "GO", you'll feel like you're on a roller coaster ride. If Days fans don't want Hogan, there's always JER to take the reigns. :rolleyes:

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