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DAYS/ATWT: Rate Hogan Sheffer's performance as headwriter

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There has been no problem with vets the first month for Hogan. Maggie was on like 6 of the first 7 days of Hogan's writing I beleive and she was on again today. Caroline and Shawn Sr have been very prominent lately and so has Victor. We don't see Alice much but I don't expect too sadly. Hogan has done a good job with the vets thus far and I actually expect that to continue since, like Ryan said, he has a team of writers that know Days and will steer him in the right direction. They know that family is important so the vets will be utilized.

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Great post ademption. I have to vent.

DAYS has drastically improved since July. When the changes were happening behind the screen the show was going from boring, non-realistic and phony dialogue, etc., to good stuff. And since then the day to day happenings were great and a lot of the JER storylines were climaxing, which was great to watch. BUT, DAYS has yet to build a proper storyline, and to interest me. I want good day to day scenes, but we've had that since July or August or whenever. It's time to progression. The show has been going in circles for months now, especially with this EJ Wells thing, Patrick thing, John and Marlena, Steve and Kayla (their gas storyline now is OK, just OK), it's all just one big nothingness. DAYS needs to do something with its good change. Take fans in and move forward.

Plus, the stupid special effects are still there. I don't know how anyone can take the show seriously and not still think it is cartoon-ish when its endings have cartoon-ish special effects.

I'd say B because of the great change but otherwise B-.

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Well, Ridge the summer and early fall was not Hogan. Hogan stepped in the first week of October formally and he needed to redefine characters and and build stories. That takes time and any HW needs at least a month under their belt before they can kick things into gear which Days is about to do now. I think alot of fans are counting the summer and early fall as a part of this and that is long. Beth and the ghost writer only kept things stabile and moved somethings forward so that when Hogan stepped in he could use what he wanted and then build his stuff. The special effects have been toned down alot. They are still there but we are getting more fadeouts then we used to get and at least we don't get the SFX as bad as we used to.

It takes time for any HW, which is why I think grading him right now is wrong. I think we should at least wait until the end of the year before putting out a grade because any HW needs a setup period and that is what Hogan has been doing. Anyone that has read the upcoming spoilers knows that things are really going to pick up so, hopefully, we can all get what we want from the show from this point on.

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But, Hogan's first two years on ATWT : B+

Hogan's last two years on ATWT : C

I'd go with an A for Hogan's first two years at ATWT and D for his last two years. The last 2 years were painful to watch.

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Again I re-iterate I love the EE because I'm in college and don't get to watch Days very often and I don't like surprises. If people don't want to read them, they don't have to no one is holding a gun to their head..

On to Hogan, I think he's doing pretty decent. Occasionally I'm bored, but at least i'm watching and it's new dialogue. Hate Willow, she needs to go. I can tolerate Mimi now. Love having Victor back, soooo underused under JER. Kate's always been a fav of mine and now she has a bit more of a personality. John is actually funny now and not so pompous. Sad to see EJ and Sami come to a close already :-\

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Hogan's tenure on ATWT: B+ (Start of his tenure: A- ;Ending of his tenure: C-)

So far on DAYS:A-

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Well, Ridge the summer and early fall was not Hogan. Hogan stepped in the first week of October formally and he needed to redefine characters and and build stories. That takes time and any HW needs at least a month under their belt before they can kick things into gear which Days is about to do now. I think alot of fans are counting the summer and early fall as a part of this and that is long. Beth and the ghost writer only kept things stabile and moved somethings forward so that when Hogan stepped in he could use what he wanted and then build his stuff. The special effects have been toned down alot. They are still there but we are getting more fadeouts then we used to get and at least we don't get the SFX as bad as we used to.

It takes time for any HW, which is why I think grading him right now is wrong. I think we should at least wait until the end of the year before putting out a grade because any HW needs a setup period and that is what Hogan has been doing. Anyone that has read the upcoming spoilers knows that things are really going to pick up so, hopefully, we can all get what we want from the show from this point on.

I wasn't really referring to the summer as his work. :) I was trying to get that Hogan didn't have to take the show from the gutter and make it into something good, the show was dug up from the gutter before he got here. It should be much easier now to fix the show than it would have been had he taken over in June.

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It's hard for me to give an unbiased opinion. I had been watching AMC before switching to DOOL last May. Compared to AMC DAYS is FANTASTIC.

Heck! I think Passions is great comapred to AMC.

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Too early to judge.

Hogan On Days: B

Compared To The Previous Guy: A+++

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I'm spoiler free so I don't know what the future holds. I hope it gets better. I can tolerate Willow I guess in small doses but I will cringe if she is suddenly related to someone on the canvas or turns out to be someone like Jan ...

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Oh I get you Ridge. Your right but many aspects of the show were still a mess. The characters need repair and that is still being worked on and new stories needed to be put into place and that meant taking what was done by JER and what was done during the transition and meshing it with his stories and making everything work. That is what Hogan's first few weeks were and I have noticed in the last 7 episodes or so that more is happenign then just character building and interaction and story building. The show is seems like it is ready to explode and spoiler readers know it is about too. That is why I think it is too early to judge Hogan yet so by the end of the year I think we can have a better idea of how good of a handle Hogan has on things.

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I wasn't really referring to the summer as his work. :) I was trying to get that Hogan didn't have to take the show from the gutter and make it into something good, the show was dug up from the gutter before he got here. It should be much easier now to fix the show than it would have been had he taken over in June.

Excellent point!

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If my opinion matters to anyone, I sort of agree that it is a little early to judge Hogan, but I understand what so many are saying. And I think it is more of a Corday or Wyman problem than it is Hogans.

Technically Days if on it's 4th writing regime this year. First JER and his staff; 2nd the "Ghost Writer" and her staff; 3rd Beth Milstein and her staff; and now HOgan and his staff.

I know that JER walked out and Corday/Wyman have done the best they could with what they were dealt, but they made a big mistake by not working to get Hogan on board sooner. And now they are paying for it.

As I have said many times, I lost interest in the show a long time ago. And was upset with the show before the first announcement came out that Stefano was definitely coming. Now many of the things that I have said about my disinterest in the show and what is happening are beginning to be said by others.

Days had big momentum that Corday/Wyman did not capitalize on. They brought back a popular couple with some and a popular actor (Ashford). Ratings spiked even though another popular couple was gone. There was much excitement about the show. Well here was this couple - a couple that I didn't like, but many people did - who were brought back and they have basically been given nothing to do.

Alot of the people that came back have gotten bored waiting for something to happen. In the midst of all of this they have had big cast departures, and still there is nothing going on to fill the void in the fans of those who have left.

Corday/Wyman have made a lot of mistakes, and they are hurting both the show and Hogan. They should have retooled things to keep Steve away from Kayla longer. At least there would have been some intrigue to keep fans wanting for them to find one another, or just postponed the returns altogether rather than have these big returns come about in the midst of writing turnover, and transition period. For a fan like me who never liked the couple in the first place, there was just nothing to hold my interest.

As I said the other thing they should have done was to get Hogan there quicker, or let Beth move the stories along better than she was allowed to do.

I got bored, and then the Stefano talk came that showed me the show was going in another direction I didn't want to see it go. If the show had been the least bit interesting at the time, it would have been a lot harder for the quit than what it was. When I quit there was nothing going on that made me want to check back in. I already knew that EJ was a DiMera at that point, the Sami reveal had happened, and things were just sort of at a standing point.

I do agree with Phoenix and others that a new headwriter needs time to set things up, but Hogan needed to realize he was coming into a show that had been in transition for several months. The show was better than it was under JER, but esp. in this day and time fans want action and excitement. And they haven't been getting that for awhile now. He needed to step it up a little quicker than he did. It is sad that he was put in that position by happens of circumstance or bad management on Corday and Wyman's part, but it was what he was dealing with. And sadly now the show is dealing with even more fan unrest.

Even though I am not watching Days, I don't want to see it fail. The show is just going in a direction that I don't agree with and don't want to be a part of. I want to see it succeed, but the powers behind the scenes need to wake up soon or the ratings will fall even more.

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On ATWT: Mostly A+ but at the end more like B (although not his fault, he lost full creative control)

On Days: C Average. Would be an A but I gave him an F for writing out Christie.

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Well, Steve how were they supposed to get Hogan sooner? They didn't expect JER to quit and they weren't expecting to go get a new HW. Hogan had to move cross country so that takes time and he wanted to do the proper research, which I appreciate because it shows he wants to make things work. Croday/Wyman can't be blamed for that and it certainly can't be said that they should've postponed Steve/Kayla. Their return was fine and ratings were good until around labor day. Beth did alot in her tenure and moved stories along. It appears Hogan wanted some things leftover for him to use to push his stories so Beth can't be blamed. It was a transition and Hogan's first few weeks were adjustments that were needed for the character's and the stories sake. I know many want their action and want things to pick up but it's only been a month. What happened before Hogan's first episode should not have any bearing on him and yet it is. "Oh Hogan should've came sooner" or "Hogan had time to research, I want action now" is not fair. He wasn't even officially announced until July so they probably had alot to work out as well. Beth did a good job and I actually liked how Days handled the things. Days was not boring at all during her tenure and while it has been a bit at times under Hogan, it is necessary to make the show great. Boring is in the eye of the beholder and what some people see as boring and as bad decisions others can see as great and good decisions. I am glad that unlike other places, SON is actually being reasonable about Hogan because others aren't and are already comdemning him. For those not excited so far, the real fun is coming and spoiler readers know that. The show and Hogan just needed time and now things are going to take off. It just irks me that people are lumping the ghost writer and Beth tenures in with Hogan. The thinking here should be from the point Hogan started on and that is what makes it too early to grade what is going on with all the changes.

I know the Steve/Kayla fans got shafted until recently but their time is now. Days was right to sideline them rather then ruin them with the often choppy writing of the summer and early fall. I know Days fans expect alot but their patience will be rewarded. New head writer's need time and Hogan has had his. If things are the same way at the end of the year, then fine but I know they won't be from what we know will happen.

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