Mitch

Agreed..Hawk was basically written as a cartoon but Gil made him more. I loved his relationship with "Sister" and with Sarah..."You old FOOL!" and I laughed at that dumb "Mutton Woman" line every time..Hawk had Annie's number before anyone else. And Hawk Alex made no sense...the one scene I can remember BevAlex having with was her being totally disdainful..."Would you like anything?" Hawk.."Yea, uh a steak!" with Alex saying "Please get Mr. Shayne...a STEAK" as only Bev could say with disdain. But Marj and him were funny as hell..and just reinforced that she should have played another character not Alex and would have been great!

Ellen Holly (wasnt she a judge on GL) hosting would have been great...but then, no one else would have gotten a word in!

Agreed, but we did get that great line and one last time for Nancy to ring Lisa's beads during Bob and Kim's anniversary..."You AREN'T helping...DEAR!" Come to think of it Lisa was the most Lisa she was in years in taking barely hidden delight in Bob and Kim's problem.

I LOVE the look on Goldberg's face through that whole scene!!! Unfortunately this was closer to the reality of soaps then a parody sometimes.

You are correct!!! And it involved a beach setting and a dumb shirtless hunk...big hair OTT BUT it looked more entertaining..."He doesn't have a HEAD!" I really don't think Fulton was hurting but I doubt she had vaults of jewels!!!But agreed, she was the last of the Hollywood Diva acting ladies..

Santa Barbara..it was just a mess but a mess that thought really, really highly of itself and its "intelligence and wit" because its Mom told it so( this being the soap mags.) Sunset Beach..its just played like a parody..kind of like "The Sun Also Rises," instead of a real soap. The actors were plastic, not sexy! Passions-well I LOVED the self referential supernatural part of it, with Tabby and Timmy practically stopping to wink at the audience...(and sometimes actually did..) but then..the Sunset Beach soap parody part started with really bad actors with their shirts off...(though I did like Alastair Crane...but he obviously was not running around with his shirt off!0

I always wished they had brought on their grandkids in the 80s. I see a Carly Tenny kind of schemer sent to the "big city" to live with Nancy and Chris and as we all know, Nancy knows how to deal with, and have a soft spot for little schemers. That would have given them new life during the Dobson's era..(especially if they had brought in the missing Eldgridge son of Lisa's earlier and the Hughes tramp running after him...causing tension between Nancy and Lisa..."You do know who she reminds me of don't you???"

I love JM..she is so down to earth and appreciative of her time on the show, and so nice that she still stayed in contact with DH and KH over the years.

I have always thought this about soaps..why does EVERYONE have to get married?Why is that ALWAYS the goal? My example is Alan Michael and Harley as basically early 20s and they are married after a few months and no one questions it, especially with the failed track records of both the Spauldings and the Bauers...and well everyone else they know. It just makes everyone looks stupid and naive. And after they marry they automatically want to have a baby..no one wants a career or hell, even not having a baby and having fun for a bit. No one in Oakdale or Springfield ever advised against marriage unless they were bad and obstructing Twu Wuv.

Interesting. It started earlier then that. On GL in the 80s..while not teens, the 4 Ms went from high school to Phillip working at Spaulding and seeming to be about 30, Rick a doctor or close to it, Beth not going to college at all, and Mindy getting married. A clip on the GL of AM and Harley having trouble as they were married..when they were in the early 20s. Its like soaps skip college and people in their 20s dating, breaking up and dating others, which you think would be right up soap writers alleys but they have them settling down and wanting babies by their 30s they have been married 3 times.

Loved this time on GL. Ellen Parker just looks and acts like someone's mom..not Nancy Hughes type, but a real Mom...dumbest move they ever made to kill her and not keep her around as support, but God knows what Rauch and the rest would have done for her. GA and MOL think they are way more funny then they are in that ad lib singing, but I think MOL always thought he was funnier then he was..(and I like him.) AM and Harley, why do they marry younger characters off like that...they could have the same storyline as 20 somethings dating.

Very true. I never bought Rog and Alex...great drama came from it, but I never thought Alex was dumb enough or lonely enough to buy into Roger's b.s. (though the writers tried hard to make it so her power isolated her..) An arranged marriage from the start (Roger has a business Spaulding desperately needs and Alex gives Roger legitimacy..) and then Alex slowly coming to enjoy their partnership because of Roger's more mercenary biz smarts..would have worked better. Alex was all family and business not romantic love. And or course, I could have done without MarjAlex practically acting like she wanted Rog to screw her on the spot all the time. The only Alex I could see being sexual was of course...VixenAlex Joan Collins..but even she played her like it was just a bit of fun for Alex not overheated LOVE in the soap way.

I think she decided to leave during the Rae story and told them so. They said..."Oh we will give your story to someone else then." and she was like..."Uh, she's already stalking ME!" Interesting to see her return later as more of a bitter hellfire woman. When she was first introduced..Chelsea was said to be..believe it or not.."The crazy Reardon.." and Rick was like.."Oh, Nola is coming home." and they were like..."Oh no...Chelsea is even more wild then Nola!!!" and it was like..uh no. How the hell did Fletcher and boring Frank last so long???Imagine a really strong leading man (besides Roger) for Alex.

Alright...nice way to make me feel old : ) You missed the flashback scenes of Grey with her hair down, wearing a sarong or robe..(red of course) gyrating to some music with Johnny D..(neither looking the 20 something years younger then they were supposed to be.) and John..bugging Lyla by callind her "Delilah" I thought it was interesting that they would have Bob with a former hussy, and also that she was so upset at her daughter's precieved "loose" behavior (she was mad at Cricket for going to the ball without a slip on!!) and Bob, unknowing her former slut status tellign her to calm down about it. With the recast of Sward all that was tosssed and Lyla was just a nice girl who made some mistakes but that also lessened the impact of Margo screwing James.

It seems very.."Un-Don like" but he most likely had problems with the actress other then that and those issues rubbed salt in the wound. He didn't seem to have a problem with Sward but they didn't actually last long or light the world on fire. I actually like VG as Lyla better as she seemed tougher, rougher like she actually was a former...uh...good time gal social climber in her youth and turned herself around. Sward..alway seemed to bland and wimpy.

No, this was when they were originally casting for Lyla..he had a chip on his shoulder about Velka Grey because of it.

Which was weird as he looked so much younger then Dolan..and really doesn't seem to be the type any of the Margos (from Colin on) would be interested in...(it doesnt help that when they intro him Margo kept using his nickname in high school "Handsome Harry" even though that doesn't seem to be a nick name anyone would use since the 1920s. I know Hastings wanted Dennison cast as Lyla, I wonder how that would have turned out.

Can't remember...it was a long time ago but I remember his quote on JFP. Not that the serial killer storyline she replaced it with was any good...

Could be..as much as I don't like what she turned GL into (GuidingBuzz) ..her first couple of years were the best it had been since I started watching it in grade school. I also think her refusal to bring Reva back was right...and her instincts were spot on..she did indeed consume the show whole. I think we GL would have still gotten the mob..I wonder if she could have fought off the clone, and I think we would NEVER have been inflicted with San Cristobel..or however you spell that hell hole.

They kind of really treated people like crap didnt they???

Believe it or not it was JFP who put a stop to that and fought it..in an interview Lemay said that along with his compliments on her as a producer. If only she had been around on GL for the clone.

Hey..his Tom on ATWT was one of my first crushes. I think the Emmy and the industry recognition got to him and the director's and producers and critics so they just let him go and as Logan said, "Acting like his pants are on fire everyday" and he meant that as a compliment!!!

I thought it was going to go that way also..damn! But Buzz and Deas were the fantasies of both JFP and Patrick Mulcahey (as we have learned he worked through his daddy issues with writing for Buzz...ugh, if only he just went to therapy!!!) so of course he would be dynamite in bed! I don't get why they did not just write Buzz and Jenna off and gave them a happy ending instead of killing her? Buzz did nothing afterwards..and I can't believe JFP didn't try to lure him off to one of her other soaps.

Who says that and at what mark???? I can't watch this era of GL with cute Nadine and sexy Jeanna fighting over Buzzard.

Well..lets just say most of Marland's "good" male creations were, staid, white bread,and humorless and Hank did not differ in that area. He was oddly interested in about EVERYONE's problems... from drama queen Babs, to drab and depressing Iva, to the teenagers (and yes, he thought HONESTY was the most important part of ANY relationship.) But he was a token gay so he was like all the token black characters who came before him...as if the show said..."See, we have ONE" and didn't bother to expand on that. I know it was the height of the crises but for once I would have liked a gay character who wasn't HIV positive or had a lover dying. A character who had a least an implied sex life and who would say, "I practice safe sex and get tested regularly." I think that having a dying partner off screen was an easy way to make him sexless and "safe." But then AMC who had a more conventional "hunk" guy play a gay guy, and who got much more publicity out of it then ATWT, also had a boring generic guy so it was baby steps. And really, Luke and whatishface bored the HELL out of me and gay viewers were acting like they were HOT and so so interesting. I think the only actual "sexual" gay character was GL's Olivia, but we all knew she was hot to trot and was bi and was a woman so I can see the suits thinking THAT was okay as she fullfilled their fantasies.