Mitch

HA..the show is crap..it is about the same as QAF..Bartlett looks great for his age..actually any age..and good for him for being out and getting work..lol if one of the fraus over at the FB GL page tune in and see Murray's character, uh..tossing a salad!

I am sure she only listened to the Manny fans...by that with San Crud so many long time fans with a few brain cells just left...(I must have been missing a few as I stayed...and I am sure because of it, lost more) and the crazy couple queens took over. Though I agree I think SS could have breathed life into Carmen if she had some writing. The few scenes Carmen had with Van were good...except..typical Rauch, totally cartoony (Van pulling a gun???) but you could see where there was actual drama and acting that could come from a confrontation between a Latina upstart and the old guard of SF.

Yea..the talk shows have to be much cheaper then soaps...one set, a whole bunch of product placements, and studios to pay the show to have the hosts fawn over the stars..and, no crazy fans writing in constantly. I do think that soaps are of course living on in other platforms an d that the its interesting that Amazon has jumped on the bandwagon of "serialized stories" with is Vella product. The stories are even called "episodes" and you get the first three free and then you need to pay for the rest. They are written by Indie authors and who knows how good they are, but I think it would be interesting if someone like Nancy Curlee would write a continuation of ATWT and or GL as I do believe there is still an audience for that. P & G tried to do that with GL but it was on Twitter and didn;t work well. I know the continuing print stories thing has been around since Dickens (and most likely before) but its interesting how Amazon is packaging these to close to being soaps..tho of different types...(love stories, mysteries, humor.)

Yea, I never understand why businesses have to be multinational corporations...why not just the largest corporation in that part of the state? Why the rich families have to be some of the richest in the country and yes, the ridiculous airports...(cause who cares, has their ever been an exciting airport scene on a soap?) why a surgeon has to be "The foremost expert in the country," its just all so dumb...and I grew up watching them! Bwhaha...as if JH was ever hired for his acting abilities! He was just lucky that he was hired at the perfect point where his looks intersected with what the show needed..he actually had the body of a farm boy...(muscle but not roided out like Linc...beefy, ) pictured with a face that could only be a soap farm boy and gave off a surly sexual vibe. To the shows credit I can't believe they didn't go with a skinny twink (like Aaron) or a sculpted muscle model...Holden looked like he ate Emma's cooking and drank beer. I did think he was fine as a middle aged dad who sometimes screwed up...again, he looked like a cute suburban dad and he developed a nice way with the younger actors. And yes, I would love to hear about his problematic personal life..though I read so much on Datalounge about it but of course, take that with a grain of salt!

Agreed..EF was the first soap star to hire a publicist (or so I heard) and she paved the way for the divas to come so I am sure this, and her bodyguard was a ploy...(probably started and the guard paid for by Fulton herself.)

Ha! However, I don't think you can find too many our ring suburbs that have spies, rich scottish muscle men (straight) with transported castles or a beloved flamboyant town busy body running around with feather boas either but...I can see a doctors wife..who also has her own considerable wealth, dressing like that...just not day in and day out...(we never see anyone but the farm folk in jeans..) I do think the geography of Oakdale is a bit bizarre. I always thought it was a city close to Chicago that yes, in later years would be an outer ring suburb..but not only the Snyder farm but other farms make it seem more Central Illinois then anything else. Its the same as Springfield which could not possibly be in Illinois as it has a lighthouse, so it would have to be Michigan but...

Yes, and at that time it was criticized as it was a retread of Ed/Holly/Roger. thought watered down...(it was a mistrial...) and besides John, with dull characters.

I think she would have been much betters as Cassie..(LW always looked like a suburban prom queen to me...and West has a more..earthiness to her) and I think she and Zimmer would have a natural "wariness" which would have made it interesting

Dee was no go getting bright bulb to begin with...she seemed half drugged every day..but she took a sleeping pill....thought it was pervey Brad ( she moaned..Braaadddd..) but it was actually pervey John and did the deed..I think she "woke up" in the middle of it...anyway, it was offensive on all levels. I think if the Dobsons kind of wanted us to see it as David pressing Dee to charge John, and the Hughes and the rest of the town backing him up as John was a total pariah at that time. But the problem was it made David into a creepy ass to put his daughter through a trial, made everyone else in town look almost as bad, and both Dee and Ellen seemed like passive drippy women being led by their noses by David. So really, resources of the police and the courts were wasted as two influential families indulged in a revenge suit against an old foe. And John was ran over not shot (that happened later) and blinded. Right after that we had the writers strike and endless scenes in Margos cottage with John...and then Dee visiting to try to get a divorce, then Tom or Brad yelling at John, Brad gazing into the sky when Dee's name was mentioned..Lisa chasing after pervy Brad...James twirling his mustache as a dumb Margo couldn't see what was going on, Ellen worried about a missing David, and a bunch of newbies running around town..it was a horrible summer!

If you read Marland's bible for the first six months Lily is very well defined as a spoiled little b*tch..and actually she seemed more fun and more sexual...I think they toned it down to go with Martha's energy and to make her more hesitant about wanting Holden to get it going..so not to scare off that age group of viewers.

I actually admire that in her..but it does come through very clearly in her acting. Now Zimmer never could hide the fact but Reva was supposed to be overbearing at times...Cassie was treated like a virgin saint and she just came off as someone would cut you if crossed. I wish they had played that up when she first came on, and have her be more antagonistic with Reva and everyone else. No one could have sold the Cassie/Josh/Reva story..LW always played scenes with RN like a sister...but it would have at least had more impact..all of a sudden this wishy washy woman is with Josh and calling herself Cassie...but she was blond and I am sure came cheap.

Wow..I thought Vicky was dull as dishwater! But I do agree with the previous poster who says that Dee suddenly became the unattainable goddess of love in Oakdale. Brad was obsessed with her (did they ever explain WHY he married Annie when he would stare off into space at the mere mention of Dee's name??) John was obsessed with her (even offering her the real ring and giving Ariel a fake one when Dee rejected him and he married Ariel...for...reason???) James was obsessed with her and they even chemistry tested she and Tom during a writer's strike. I liked Jackie but she had horrible writing and just stared into the camera with her mouth open...(apparently Jackie and Colleen were fighting it out to be the STAR of ATWT and the girl who played Bab's sister got caught in the middle and fired..which was too bad..she would have been a good character for Marland.)

Of if only they had a scene of Ada doing that to Rachel..a.k.a. LadyEyesABugging as they call her on DL!

I love that Ford is pointing out the artificiality of the scenes and the sets. No one ever in the history of soaps (or any TV show..) has a TV or radio on unless there is a bulletin about the latest kidnapping or murder in town. I also love that she does not want to say, "Hang it all"!!! ( I am sure Ford had another phrase they couldn't use...)

It seems up to marrying Whit Lisa was upper middle class (as was almost everyone in Oakdale at the time.) She ran the bookstore and then Fashions, etc. It was after Whit that she starting collecting businesses "like she used to men" as someone wrote in a soap mag.

So insane that CBS/PG didn't hire her as a consultant or head writer...God, can imagine if we got her instead of McTavish or E & B?

I did love biz smart, sarcastic wry Holly..so different then any other female character on a soap. I was hoping when Fletcher dumped her and took the kid she would return to that...but she became a stalker.. Where did Chelsea go when they wrote her off. I wouldn't have minded a recast Chelsea to come back after Mo since she was embedded with the Bauers already..to try to help Ed out with Chele and Bridget....and maybe get together with Rick. Just NO singing!

I think NC (and I may be giving her too much credit but I don't think so) was being generous and in her southern way, not throwing JFP under the bus. I took it that she wished she *could* have written it that way...(but most likely was given the mandate to KILL KILL Mo) I do think that actually doing that would be problematic...as Mo would never leave her kid and friends and family to think she was dead. Roger would look more like a heal if he let Michelle think her mom was dead...(he could care less what Ed thinks) The other way would be that she was in a coma and spirited away by Roger..who say Roger came to the cabin after the Ed confrontation... and Roger in his Roger way, tries to make Mo see that Ed is no good for her and that he can take her and Michelle away from all of this...Mo says something like, "There is nothing I would like better to just disappear right now.." and then with more Roger badgering she then runs out, gets in her car and slides off the road. She is knocked out and Roger, feeling guilty and again in Roger's way, thinks he is honoring her wishes wisks her off somewhere...) I know E & B had a plan for bringing Parker back with a woman who led a hard life who got her heart and had plastic surgery to look like her..but I think that ranks up there with the clone.

Well, I am sure any island that Island Hunk inhabited would turn instantly gay...(and wouldn't Reva LOVE to have landed on secluded gay resort...cocktails and worshiping queens, she would never want to leave..) but I mean...Gay Island Hunk on his...Island, which he would turn instantly gay. (have no idea if the actor is gay but he came off as such...) I thought he had good friendly chemistry with Dinah and she needed a gay bestie to ring her beads once in a while. Ha..his website says "My expertise lies in working with men transitioning into, or out of, relationships"...oh..I am sure he has helped transition many men out of their old relationships. He still looks good, but its kind of funny he does indeed look like a soap therapist..."Throw some glasses on him so he looks smart, but find a way to show his chest..."

Totally agree and always thought that during the St.Reva the Love Goddess that no one seems to think is past her prime days (Post Resurrection Reva and Zimmer always reminded me of Lucille Ball in her later shows....desperate to stay young and playing 20 years younger then she actually was ..and characters having to call long in the tooth Lucy Carmichael/Carter.."young lady.") that is what her character should morph into. It was too bad it had to be Peapack that brought us that but I always wanted her to run Company, be behind the bar smoking a ciggie and knocking back a drink kicking people's assess and giving out bad advice.. a tough broad who has seen it all..) But we got pastel suit Reva who crash landed on kinda gay Island Hunk's island he stopped in his tracks to see "The most beautiful woman on earth" rise out of the water, and the camera showed us Reva wet with nasty hair and mascara running down her face with wet clothes which couldn't hide her age.

Yea...I loved her too, but over familiarity breeds contempt here! Oddly I started liking her again in her Peapack days...Zimmer brought the scenery chewing down (most likely as there was no scenery to chew) and I think a more..uh...full figured Reva, tired, a bit crabbier, and sick of the big hair and shoulder pads made sense.

Ah..I see!Welcome to the land of missed opportunites..(but more REVA)!

The writing team that dropped the ball (or someone did...) by not following up and Alex disappeared and Marj had no episodes scheduled so she left to go to AMC. I agree, Alex in the attic with Faux Annie was great..different then how Bev would have played it but the it was Alex..."don't f*ck with me boys," Spaulding. Alex had so much potential to get involved with Alan/Annie (the Annie/Reva thing burned out with even Watros there) Vicky Spaulding, the whole (though it was dumb) Beth/Matt/Vanessa thing (would Alex back up her old friend and sometime sparring partner Van, would she try to shake some sense into newly Bimbo Beth???) Alex could have used Alan's late mid life crises with Annie to take over...(and yes, I would love Marj to say, as she kicks them out of the mansion"And take that crazy blonde slut with you!") Oh what could have been, but Rauch and E & B seemingly did not know what to do with a strong woman of a certain age.

I agree...I think that it WAS perfect..or as perfect as it could be..during that time. Then the wheels came off..fast. Maeve was one of those performers that none of the soap mags was going to rave on as she did not chew scenery. Van was declawed when she married Billy under Long and I have a feeling it was to allow Alex to be the rich sophisticated and at times lethal woman in town. With Bev gone Maeve was the natural replacement especially as she was in a position with feet in both Spaulding and Lewis. I would have loved for her when she came back post resurrection..instead of wanting to have a baby to reenergize her professional life and break away from Lewis Oil, where the boys ruled supreme and gone to Spaulding to take on Alan and Annie and then...secretely while pitting Spaulding vs. Lewis, mange to force a merger where she had majority control. So much better then her sighing away and have Matt going after hoochie woman Beth who called Van "old" At least that would NEVER have happened during JFP.

Great scene, and proves that JFP's GL had life after Mo's death...(if only it was Bev and Maeve in those scenes.) Also, it makes me again think why they didn't cast Van in the Alex role later on when they let Marj go. By that time Alex was so tainted with the Nick/Mindy crap and Marj's schreeching...Van was a much needed grey character who could play the game as well as anyone if she had to and could threaten without raising her voice. And yes, a mundane thing like a wedding reception is tied into the bigger plot (the battle for Spaulding) with reminders of family and community connections.