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100% this. Murder, She Wrote was CBS's rare bright spot in that third place primetime mess era. After carrying CBS primetime on her back for the better part of a decade, Angela deserved so much better at the end than what she got. There's a special place in hell for Les Moonves for the way he treated Angela and for his comment about her years later.

Five month run, NBC reacted w/ the quickness. As we saw earlier in the thread, the replacement For Richer, For Poorer didn't fare any better and that had a 9 month run.

The daytime schedule (ET) starting w/ soaps until the end of the day was CBS: 11:30 am Love of Live, noon Y&R, 12:30 pm Search for Tomorrow, 1 pm Local programming, 1:30 pm As the World Turns, 2:30 pm Guiding Light, 3 pm All in the Family reruns, 3:30 pm Match Game, 4 pm Tattletales ABC: 12:30 pm Ryan's Hope, 1 pm All My Children, 1:30 pm Family Feud, 2 pm $20,000 Pyramid; 2:30 pm One Life to Live, 3:15 pm General Hospital, 4 pm The Edge of Night NBC: 12:30 pm Lovers and Friends, 1 pm Local programming, 1:30 pm Days, 2:30 pm The Doctors, 3 pm Another World, 4 pm The Gong Show So the soap time slot rivalries were Search for Tomorrow vs. Ryan's Hope vs. Lovers and Friends As the World Turns vs. Days Guiding Light vs. One Life to Live vs. The Doctors One Life to Live/General Hospital vs. Another World

Started going off the rails in season 7 and it was fully cemented as off the rails in season 8, plus budget mode kicked in. Season 8 was a chore to get through. Most ruined show in SOD Best/Worst of 1989 issue. I'm sure you've seen the write up. Then again 1988/89 was an awful season not just for the primetime soaps, but I think for primetime in general. I chalk that up to after effects of the writer's strike and changing times. It was an awful storyline and also ruined all the progress the characters had made during the course of the series. There's only one primetime soap female named Cookie that matters, and she was some 25 years away 🤣 Did you change your mind about season 9 on a rewatch? For me it was too dark and too sad and I found it painful to watch.

Summer 2022, but I can't find a video of it anywhere. To think Greg Rikaart has been employed nearly 21 years and Joshua Morrow has been employed for nearly 30 years. Scott Jr. was an adult in 2005 when Lauren and Michael got married. At that point, we hadn't seen Scott Jr. on screen for over a decade.

@soapfan770 @YRfan23 No talk of CBS daytime promos is complete w/o a mention of

Among Gail Kobe, Joe Willmore, JFP, Michael Laibson, Paul Rauch, John Conboy, Ellen Wheeler, which was the lesser of seven evils?

Hahaha, yes.

Yet Ellen Wheeler was EP for some 5 1/2 years. Of all the EPs GL had in its final 25 years, Ellen Wheeler had the second longest run after Paul Rauch (6 years).

I will forever maintain that Robert Calhoun laid all the groundwork but JFP got all the credit. It disappoints me that the ratings didn't improve during Robert Calhoun's run. JFP first year got the ratings up but there's also the factors of ABC's big three tanking at various times during that year, and Days being a mess in that post-supercouple/pre-Reilly era. Now that we have 1980s and early 1990s ratings data, it seems to me that the real issues w/ GL began when Douglas Marland departed in 1982. Yes, that first year of Gail Kobe/Pamela Long got the ratings back up, but it was too much chasing 1980s trends which wasn't sustainable and that was reflected in the ratings from Fall 1984 onward. Summer 1992 departures of Kimberley Simms, Sherry Stringfield, Beverlee McKinsey w/in weeks of each other left a huge void in the canvas. January 1993 departure of Ellen Parker was the beginning of the end. I figured Kimberley and Sherry departures as finish initial contract, move on to other things while still relatively young. Beverlee was a shock I didn't expect. I didn't see Ellen departure in real time but the reasons behind it have been talked about in this thread.

Thank you @soapfan770 and happy holidays to you as well 🤗 🎅 🎄

By the time of OJ, Another World had already been limping along for like 15 years, but that's neither here nor there for this thread. The P&G 1995 EP switch damaged all three shows and they never really recovered from that. GL entered cancel territory in 1995 and it looked like 1996 would be the end.

Lets keep it real here, the P&G shows were effectively over in the aftermath of OJ.

A year earlier both Beverlee McKinsey and Victoria Wyndham lost Lead Actress to their co-star Laurie Heineman. I think there was some controversy over that win too and I wonder if that was the reason the supporting categories were introduced the following year. IMO the younger categories were introduced in 1985 in response to the controversy over Judi Evans supporting win in 1984 (she wasn't even 20 years old and had been on GL for only one year at the time).

@ChickenNuggetz92 Thank you for your all your hard work in putting everything together and happy holidays 🤗🎄🎅

Michael Jordan's lawyers are probably also watching. I am so far.

I've often wondered if Bill Bell regretted killing off Phillip III. I think Bill Bell may have used Ryan to fill the void left by Phillip III. Totally agree.

Susan Lucci last nomination was 2002 but not sure if she submitted 2003-2012. Lead was for superstars and long-tenured veterans. Supporting was the holding tank for those who aged out of the younger category but were not quite at superstar level or had enough years to be considered long-tenured veterans.

If Bill Bell was still in charge, yes. Bradley would bungle the execution.

I am actually surprised ABC didn't try to make happen Susan Lucci in a short arc on Dynasty at the height of its popularity (Fall 1982 to Spring 1985). She had guest starred on Love Boat and Fantasy Island so Aaron Spelling was aware of her. Susan Lucci, the diva of all divas of daytime, vs. Joan Collins, the diva of all divas of 1980s primetime soaps, would have been the most epic diva battle ever. Speaking of which, Susan Lucci and Joan Collins both appeared on a celebrity Family Feud special in 1982.

I counted 9: Beth Maitland (1985), Jess Walton (1991), Michelle Stafford (1997), Sharon Case (1999), Amelia Heinle (2014, 2015), Jessica Collins (2016), Camryn Grimes (2018), Marla Adams (2021). I counted 8: Tracey Bregman (1985), Tricia Cast (1992), Heather Tom (1993, 1999), Camryn Grimes (2000), Christel Khalil (2012), Hunter King (2014, 2015).

Michael Zaslow: Guiding Light to guest starring roles (Love Boat, Falcon Crest), short-lived ABC primetime soap Kings Crossing, then back to daytime w/ One Life to Live, then return to Guiding Light. John McCook: Y&R to guest starring roles (Love Boat, Dynasty, Hotel; Magnum, P.I.; Murder, She Wrote to name a few), short-lived NBC action show Code Name: Foxfire, then back to daytime w/ B&B. Jaime Lyn Bauer: Y&R to short-lived NBC primetime soap Bare Essence, guest starring roles (Fantasy Island, Love Boat, Hotel, Knots Landing to name a few), then back to daytime w/ Days. Deborah Adair: Y&R to Dynasty, Finder of Lost Loves, Melrose Place, then back to daytime w/ Days. Christian LeBlanc: As the World Turns to In the Heat of the Night, then back to daytime w/ Y&R. Eileen Davidson: Y&R to short-lived CBS action show Broken Badges, then back to daytime w/ Santa Barbara and Days, then return to Y&R.

James Reilly was part of that early 1990s writing team at GL and he worked fine as part of that team. AFAIK he was left to his own devices at Days, and we saw what happened from 1993-1997. Yes Days recovered in the ratings, but daytime was shaken at a level not seen since ABC's huge rise and domination some 15 years earlier.

From the last 1992 chart as of this writing, James Reilly is some 6 months away. I believe he was first credited December 1992. Days is such an interesting case in soap history. Started as a Bill Bell show which unfortunately I was not alive for, so for my generation its best known for the supercouple years and Reilly years. Now that we've seen a good portion of the ratings for the post-supercouple/pre-Reilly era, it makes sense why that era was not really talked about alot.

Of course, that makes sense