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Good question, @Soaplovers! Unfortunately, even if LOL had survived past Feb. 1980, I doubt that it would have lasted that much longer. The way I see it, LOL was trapped in a no-win situation. Their core audience seemed to be older and more conservative than other soaps'. Therefore, they were not as willing to embrace whatever changes were necessary in order to make the show more contemporary and competitive with the Bell or ABCD soaps, especially if those changes meant de-emphasizing Vanessa as the show's central heroine. At the same time, because of its' reputation as being "your mother's soap opera," it seems as if younger audiences for the most part steered clear of LOL, possibly out of the belief that the show had nothing to interest them.

1995 was not one of ATWT's better years, IMO. Then again, I think all years on this show after 1993 ran from mediocre to outright horrid. (Say what you will about Douglas Marland, but the man knew how to craft stories in a way no other writer could). And "Christmas-ing" the theme song at the end just takes a boring song and makes it even worse. Meanwhile, Alexander Walters (Mark) was so much more good-looking than Shawn Christian (Mike). I wonder whatever happened to him (or why ATWT never thought to have Mark work as a male stripper, lol).

Wishing you and yours the merriest of Christmases and the happiest of New Years, too! (Let's hope 2024 doesn't suck too much.)

Why did they want to kill Alan, though? Was it because of Stuart Damon's real-life medical issues? If SD had decided he was no longer physically able to work, then I could understand killing off Alan. But it seems like TPTB just wanted to be rid of the Quartermaines and most actors over a certain age.

Suzi lost so many people in her life: Doug, Eunice, John, Wendy (in a way). She also was abused and manipulated by Warren (and in my two scenarios above, she suffers what might be, for many women, the cruelest injustice of all: the inability to have children of her own). Jo appeared to be the only constant in her life. Then, when it looked as if she finally would have some happiness and stability of her own with Cagney and Jonah, what happens? She gets killed. It is as if TPTB lived to make that poor girl suffer. That is why I gave Suzi some agency in both my scenarios, because if there is one that I cannot stand, it is a female character who is victimized by everyone around her and does nothing to take control of her own life. Actually, @dc11786, I could see a scenario where Stephanie and Wendy believe each other to be responsible for shooting and/or killing Warren. Stephanie would confess immediately to the crime in order to protect Wendy, whom she believes to be the culprit; and Wendy, not realizing why her mother has confessed, would be as stunned as everyone else when she does. It is only later, as mother and daughter are alone and able to talk, when Stephanie and Wendy realize that neither was responsible for the crime. But there is a twist: in order to be cleared of all charges, Stephanie needs Wendy to corroborate her new story (that she confessed only because she believed her daughter to be guilty), but Wendy refuses, because doing so would mean confessing to a major secret (such as Warren faking his own death for reason or another). Essentially, Wendy is fine with allowing her mom to continue taking the rap for a crime neither have committed; and even though Jo begins to suspect that neither mother nor daughter is being completely honest with the authorities; and even though Stephanie is heartbroken over his daughter's actions, Stephanie still refuses to admit the truth to Jo or to anyone else. And the whole time this is going on, no one even suspects that Warren's killer/"killer" is none other than Kristin, lol. That is a neat twist, @dc11786. But, you know, people loved Jo/Mary Stuart so much. TPTB would have forced you to change that scenario somehow, so that Jo would be exonerated entirely, simply because there would be a tremendous outcry from viewers who would not want to see that knowledge dangling over Jo's head like the Sword of Damocles. It is kind of like what ATWT's Don Hastings said about the possibility of his character, Dr. Bob Hughes, killing someone: viewers might simply shrug and say, "Oh, well, so the gun went off." Similarly, people would not want to see Jo guilty even of accidental murder, nor would they want Jo to punish herself for the crime even after the court had found her innocent. If anything, people would be writing in, telling Jo to stop feeling guilty about trying to do away with scum like Warren Carter and enjoy the rest of her life, lol! Obviously, I cannot speak for the rest of the audience, but I feel like the only husbands of Jo's who could have been considered as endgames were Arthur Tate and Tony Vincente, with Tony being the most endgame, if that makes sense. To me, Martin could not possibly have been endgame, given his background as a gambler and womanizer. I know he had reformed somewhat by the time he and Jo had married, but I still believe they were too entirely different for theirs to have been a long-lasting union. My idea would have been to cast Forrest Compton, fresh from the cancelled EON, as Jo's new love interest, Stan Potter (an P&G in-joke). It would be established that Stan and Jo's first husband, Keith Barron, had been business associates; and that Stan and his recently deceased wife, Emily, also had been close friends with Keith and with Jo. Business opportunities had forced the Potters and their two sons, Robert and Eric, to relocate to Cincinnati (another P&G in-joke), but now that he was retired and a widower, he was moving back to Henderson. As Jo and Stan resume their friendship, we would see flashbacks of the Barrons and Potters in their younger days, along with the gradual realization that Stan has long carried a torch for Jo. As Stan later admits, he always wanted to express to Jo his true feelings, but never could, out of respect for both their marriages. At the same time, Jo, who believes she is truly finished with romance after the implosion of her last marriage, realizes that her feelings toward Stan are turning into something deeper than friendship. Eventually, Stan would propose to Jo near some place where they and their spouses used to frequent. Jo accepts Stan's marriage proposal; Patti returns to Henderson for her mother's wedding. (Ideally, I would have loved to get Lynn Loring to return for a limited engagement). We also would meet Rob and Eric Potter for the first time. Trouble looms on the horizon, however, when an older man whom Sunny has been following as part of her series on Henderson's burgeoning homeless community turns out to be none other Keith Barron himself. (Yes, he would have been the second of Jo's lovers who turns out to be alive after all, with Sam being the first. Fret not, however, as Jo and Stu would acknowledge that fact, along with the ridiculousness of having not one but two paramours return from the dead, lol). Ooooh, I like that idea, @dc11786! It would provide an unexpected connection with what was probably one of SFT's biggest stories from its' entire run. And if you could not get Joan Copeland to return and resume the role, then I would try and get someone like Lee Grant. It would have been the second SFT role for Grant, but Rose Peabody was so long ago, lol. Or...I would go for broke and have Patti's mystery lover turn out to be female. I. Love. This. Idea. So. Much. LOL. Seriously, @dc11786, you always have such incredible story ideas!

I agree. I agree. Nevertheless, GL's finale still felt follow to me, even with all the returns that @DRW50 mentioned. True!

I never will understand what the various PTB had against the Quartermaines.

That certainly was true for AW. Between OJ and JFP, AW never stood a chance.

That is exactly what I would call GL's cancellation, @vetsoapfan: a mercy killing. ATWT still had life left in it, because its' core had not become as wrecked as GL's had become. All it needed was an EP and HW who cared enough and who could write and produce the show without too much interference from P&G or from CBS, and it would have bounced back in no time. But GL could have had all those things and more and it still would have needed at least 1-2 years that it did not have just to become watchable again, let alone good or great. I agree.

Jim Thomasen (AMC): a character and storyline that were so dark, it apparently forced Roscoe Born, who originated the role, to quit the show in mid-storyline. (If that is why he quit so abruptly, then I do not blame him. I mean, a man who engineers a plane crash to cover up his child pornography? And do not get me started on Brooke English basically getting away with killing him later in cold blood. Or the means Tad used to help exonerate her. Or poor Robin Mattson's hysterical "OMG, that's Amanda [in one of those pictures]!" in that courtroom.) I think that is the kinkiest and most lurid Douglas Marland ever got on daytime, "A New Day in Eden" notwithstanding.

I agree. I might have said this before, but I think Nancy Curlee was GL's last, best hope. When she left, GL was finished.

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You know what would have been good? Wendy tells Warren she is pregnant with his baby, hoping the news will force Warren to divorce Suzi and marry her. Warren, however, refuses to leave Suzi on account of that inheritance she is expected to come into very soon and tells Wendy to get an abortion. Frustrated, Wendy tells Suzi about the baby. Suzi is devastated, not just because of the knowledge that Warren has been unfaithful to her, but also because she has learned that she is unable to conceive herself. Then, events take an unexpected twist: just as Wendy is going to tell Warren about Suzi's infertility, Warren is killed in a freak accident, leaving both Suzi and Wendy alone, and Wendy still pregnant with his child. In an homage to the classic Bette Davis/Mary Astor movie, "The Great Lie," Suzi helps Wendy through a very difficult pregnancy. Wendy's joy at giving birth to her and Warren's baby gradually turns to panic, though, as she realizes she is not cut out to be a mother. Eventually, Wendy gives up her baby to Suzi and leaves Henderson for parts unknown. Wendy's decision sets the stage for a custody battle between Suzi and Stephanie, who is outraged that her own daughter (Wendy) has abandoned her grandchild to another woman. Here is another way it could go: let's say Warren does not die, but learns that Suzi is infertile. Warren has a choice to make: either he stays with Suzi and her money, or gives up the money to be with Wendy and their baby. Warren being Warren, he decides to stay with Suzi. A devastated Wendy leaves Henderson. Warren begins plotting to drive Suzi crazy, so he can declare power of attorney over her estate. Several months later, Wendy returns with her newborn in tow. Warren and Wendy resume their affair. Gradually, Warren's plot against Suzi unravels, and Suzi realizes her husband has been gaslighting her. Suzi turns the tables on Warren, making him believe she is out to get him. It culminates with Suzi pulling a gun on Warren and shooting him, but - surprise! - the gun is filled with blanks. Suzi reveals everything she knows about Warren's plans and offers him and Wendy a choice: the two could stay in Henderson and face criminal charges, or they can take the money that Suzi offers them and leave town, but leave their baby with her. Warren and Wendy choose the latter; they leave Henderson, and leave behind their baby for Suzi to raise. And Suzi's ordeal with Warren and Wendy becomes a real catalyst for her, as she resolves never to be anyone's victim again.

I am not sure, but I think he expressed as much during one interview or another. Just as he said he had sworn never to kill off another child (after killing off John Black Dickie Martin on DAYS) before going back on his own word and killing off Lauren's baby. I dislike bringing back people from the dead for one, very simple reason: I think to do so is insulting to everyone out there who has lost a loved one.

I think part of the reason for that was because Viki and Joe were now happily married after a decade or more of drama and considered to be OLTL's tentpole couple. I also think that was why Tina was introduced when she was in 1978 or whenever: Joey had not been conceived yet, as far as I know, and Kevin was not ready to be SORAS'ed, but the Rileys needed a new source of conflict that would not pose too great of a risk to their marriage. So, enter the teenaged daughter of Viki's former college roommate, who was young and impressionable and an easy mark for criminals such as Marco Dane. No doubt, if Lee Patterson had not elected to leave when he did, the bulk of Joe and Viki's storylines would have revolved around their continued efforts to keep Tina out of trouble.

I do not remember much about AB's stint on GH except reading Bob Guza's description of her character and her storyline with Vanessa Marcil and thinking it all was a big load of crap, lol.

I believe that the best way to have accomplished that would have been to bring on either Chris or Tracey first, as a wayward teen, whom Len and Patti would send to their grandmother, Jo, when they could handle them no longer. Of course, Chris/Tracey would cause trouble almost from the moment they hit Henderson, eventually causing Jo to adopt a "tough love" stance on her own grandchild that, in time, would straighten them out. Then, down the road, you could bring on Patti, Len and the other child for a special occasion - like, say, a high school graduation - that would trigger a bombshell revelation: Chris/Tracey once caught Patti having an affair.

I think that was part of the beauty of Bill Bell's writing: he could keep you waiting for years to see whether something like a mother and child being reunited would ever happen. Like one magazine said years ago, when it came to Y&R, the mantra was, "No story told before its' time."

I wonder how much of a fuss there was when Dorothy Lyman, who had won one year as Supporting for AMC, submitted herself as Lead the next year and won that trophy as well.

One name: Ana-Alicia.

I can envision Jo shooting Warren (or any villain) and then blocking it out psychologically, but I am afraid that Jo was the sort who would have confessed to the authorities the minute she remembered, even if it meant exonerating her nemesis, Stephanie, of the crime. If anything, Stephanie would have accused Jo of delaying her confession in order to make her (Stephanie) suffer; and Jo would have bought Warren's reformed act enough to take him into her home when everyone else had turned their backs on him - which, of course, would play right into Warren's plans. The longer Warren lived with Jo, however, and the more she extended kindness and friendship toward him, the more conflicted Warren actually would become over his plot to ruin Jo. For the first time in his life, Warren Carter would realize that even a low-life such as himself has worth, and that would be due to Jo's influence. But there would be a complication in the form of Warren's continued association with Brett Hamilton, Ringo Altman or another criminal - and maybe a plot to kill Jo and make it look as if she took her own life out of guilt over shooting Warren - that would result in Stu getting injured at Jo's house and Warren finally breaking down and revealing everything before apologizing to Jo and possibly fleeing Henderson for parts unknown, thereby leaving the door open for him to return down the road, played by a different actor (?), and causing (more) trouble for Cagney and Suzi as he wants to get to know Jonah again. But...back to Jo's hypothetical murder trial. As I have mentioned upthread, I would have had Jo on trial for killing someone, with her last husband, Martin Tourneur, being the most likely victim. Courtney Sherman Simon would have returned as Kathy to defend Jo in court, and Millee Taggart would have returned briefly as Janet to lend her support as well. Obviously, Jo would have been framed by the real culprit (don't ask me who), but Martin himself would have provided Jo with plenty of reasons to shoot him, as he would have become more physically and mentally abusive toward his wife in the weeks and months leading up to his murder. Then, at the climax of the special "live" broadcast, everyone's jaws would drop as the jury announces their guilty verdict. I would have used the trial and Jo's subsequent prison stint to bring back some former soap stars in short-term roles. For example, I would have had someone like Mandel Kramer (ex-Bill Marceau, EON) play the judge presiding over the trial. (Alternatively, I would have dragged former EP Fred(die) Bartholomew out of acting retirement to play the "honorable judge Fauntleroy"). Someone like Audrey Peters (ex-Vanessa, LOL) or Bethel Leslie (ex-Maggie, THE DOCTORS) would play at the warden at the women's prison outside Henderson, where Jo is incarcerated; and her assistant would be played by someone like Teri Keane (ex-Martha, EON, et al) or Mary K. Wells (ex-Louise, EON). Jada Rowland (ex-Amy, SS; ex-Carolee, TD) might play the head of a prison gang that gives Jo a hard time behind bars, while Rosemary Prinz (ex-Penny, ATWT, et al) plays Jo's wisecracking cell-mate, who, once released, could become Stu's new, recurring love interest. (Most of the ladies mentioned are just examples, but I do think RP and Larry Haines would have shared great chemistry if they had been paired together.) During her unfortunate incarceration, however, Jo would stumble upon a prostitution ring involving several of the younger inmates. All clues would point to the warden, but Jo, with help on the outside from Stu, would learn that the warden's assistant would be the true ringleader, leading to a climactic showdown between many of the women that results in the warden being injured, the assistant being apprehended and Jo having her sentence commuted by the governor in light of her efforts to expose the ring. In the meantime, Sunny would be using her journalistic skills to clear Jo's name, drawing the reluctant male A.D.A., who had prosecuted Jo, into her efforts to uncover the identity of Martin's real killer. Of course, Sunny's efforts would place herself in danger; and rescuing her from the killer (whoever they are) with Hogan's help would prompt the A.D.A. to confess his feelings for Sunny, initiating a triangle between him, Hogan and Sunny. Finally, when Jo is released from prison, so, too, is another inmate whom Jo has taken under her wing. Jo moves her into her home and in time helps her to track down the little boy whom she gave birth to while still incarcerated and was forced to give up for adoption.

"Then in 2002, Bierdz was again devastated when his older brother Craig committed suicide by blowing his brains out." Subtle.

Does anyone know roughly the dates when Joseph Hardy produced LOL? It is so fascinating to me that the same man who directed so many Broadway shows, including "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" and "Play It Again, Sam," also produced soap operas. ETA: AFAIK, Hardy also produced "A Flame in the Wind"/"A Time for Us", LIAMST, RH, LOVING, GH and KNOTS LANDING. Did he work on any other shows?

Wasn't she on an episode of "What's Happening!!"? And then, of course, she was on "Roots: the Next Generations" with Brian Stokes Mitchell; as well as on "A Different World" years later, as the woman who caused Dwayne and Whitley not to go through with their initial wedding plans.