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these people need to pop an edible and relax. i get dizzy just thinking about how much plot they’ve burned through in six months.

yes, yes, yes! this chelsea allison thing wouldn’t be so stupid if there had been some character development for allison. but, as it stands, she’s just a plot device. and why, why for the love of god, would naomi and jacob break the news when the kids were in the house. stupid, stupid, stupid!

@Paul Raven i didn’t come across ‘snark weighs in’ until the mid-aughts. loved it — he cited my posts several times. then, one day the website just disappeared. any idea what happened?

some thoughts about eileen fulton’s passing. https://open.substack.com/pub/lynnliccardo/p/soap-operas-original-bad-girl?r=7nfi1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

sorry — wrong board.

he was my first celebrity crush. from the same era (late 60s), also found robert gentry (ed bauer) dishy.

i actually liked it a lot. never seen it before, but i thought it really captured her joie de vivre. having met eileen a few times and talked with her on the phone, looking at it, i can actually hear her voice.

might be the other way ‘round. larry bryggman began in 1969, and was pretty devious from the beginning. michael zaslow came on gl in 1971, and as i recall, grew into his deviousness over time. just went to soap central to check and found that ‘who’s who in…’ is no longer available. a shame, it was such a useful resource.

finally! finally, cbs sunday morning recognized an actor from a p&g soap in ‘passages.’ of course, had eileen fulton passed away in a week not dominated by so many notable deaths, she might have rated a short clip noting her 50 years on ‘world turns. but given the show’s shameful neglect of other ‘world turns and guiding light actors — no mention of kathryn hays, elizabeth hubbard, lisa brown or jerry ver dorn — this is something, albeit, long overdue.

finally! finally, cbs sunday morning recognized an actor from a p&g soap in ‘passages.’ of course, had eileen fulton passed away in a week not dominated by so many notable deaths, she might have rated a short clip noting her 50 years on ‘world turns. but given the show’s shameful neglect of other ‘world turns and guiding light actors — no mention of kathryn hays, elizabeth hubbard, lisa brown or jerry ver dorn — this is something, albeit, long overdue.

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here’s a sweet story about kathryn leigh scott (dark shadows). free link: vows

Great! I've been watching for this obit. I've noticed that soap actors don't get much attention in the NYTimes obits. Anthony Herrera -- one of the great soap villains -- did not get an obit. And neither did Elizabeth Hubbard -- which was shocking to me given her extensive stage and TV work prior to ATWT. It took them about two weeks to post an obit for Kathryn Hays. I think her "Star Trek" episode and marriage to Glenn Ford may have finally convinced the editors to include her. RIP Eileen! nice to see this — and it’s been a busy week, what with malcolm jamel warner and ozzy osbourn. now let’s see if cbs sunday morning can find a few seconds in ‘passages.’ historically they’ve totally ignored p&g actors who’ve passed — actors who were on cbs for decades.

never a fan, either. here’s a free link to the ny times obit. ozzy osbourn obit

of course, the ‘so exactly how old is martin?’ is never going away. but, one possibility is that nicole had him while while she and ted were residents or post-docs. both were overloaded, so anita and vernon stepped in to help and formed such a strong bond that it undermined martin’s relationship with his parents.

or, as the late eileen fulton called them, “f*ck us groups.”

as a viewer, i feel shortchanged by the lack of development among the richardsons. we’ve never seen them together as a family; no idea of what kind of relationship kat and martin had growing up — with their parents, or each other — not to mentioned the grandchildren. the reveal will have an impact on the entire family and beyond. not having established the foundation underlying the richardsons will likely dilute the power and depth of how the reveal plays out.

Exactly. Martin didn't have a true one-on-one with his mother, Nicole, until very recently. The writers do not write her character with the same care as the other core 4. and iirc, yesterday’s scene with samantha was the first time we’ve seen nicole with her grandchildren - after 5 months! really not fair to viewers. and goes back to the beginning: too much happening to too many characters too quickly. so many stories they could have introduced later — ashley/derek, and chelsea’s romantic entanglements come to mind.

To be fair, they showed more of Martin with his mama more than they ever do with his father. the relationships within the richardsons have been lacking since the show began — especially when compared with the hamiltons. now that the shi* is hitting the fan, those gaps are glaring.

part 3: irna on beyond the gates part 3: what would irna think about beyond the gates

they really are dragging out the reveal — hoping for the end of the week. what i’m really looking forward to is how the aftermath of the reveal will play out: martin and his parents, vernon and anita — so many emotional layers to mine. what concerns me is that will skip over all of that and shift the focus to other characters — leslie, in particular.

Lynn Herring, Robin Mattson, Billy Warlock, that greasy Professor who was harrassing Noah and had been on OLTL, flippin' Sarah Brown, Howarth, Real Andrews (although he was a sweetie), Howarth....basically any ABC actor who went off contract it seemed. thanks for filling in the blanks!

while some viewers (you) “relish in OTT scenery chewing; ” others (like me:) loath it. and therein lies the problem with soaps that run for decades: can’t please all of the people all of the time, but soaps need to please at least some of the people some of the time. but ratings continued to drop after continued attempts to turn world turns into an abc soap and jill farren phelps moved the coopers front and center on guiding light. so…

i suppose it would have screwed up the plot for ted to have told leslie/dana: ‘call an uber!’ and listening to cady mcclain’s pamela is getting on my last nerve.