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i missed the news back in january that the ny times editorial page is cleaning house. here’s a free link to pamela paul’s farewell column. i always found her an insightful voice of reason i will miss. apparently, charles blow’s recent departure was part of the shakeup, as well. pamela paul’s farewell column

in addition to don hastings’s birthday, today marks 69 years since ‘world turns 1956 premiere. here are two interesting reads to mark the occasion: introduction: annotating irna… guiding light begets as the world turns

found this on page 37 of the marland 1991 longterm. looks like doug had the same idea initially. i do think it made more sense storywise for lisa to question the marriage.

enough already with the endless superlatives and self-congratulation — it’s getting annoying. that’s just how people speak to each other all the time — at least not people i know. . please banish (or at least, limit) the following: my wonderful, beautiful, amazing… feel free to add.

wow! thanks for this. love reading long terms. it’s the only place you can get a sense of the headwriter had in mind. you really can’t tell too much about the overall story from a single script of breakdown.

no, it wasn’t on the news last night. what was on last night was them getting picked up. this live coverage is of the actual splash down. they’re back on earth. as i type, they are exiting the capsule. might be in the minority here, but, at least for me, this is newsworthy! and, it’s not like the old days when a soap aired and that was it. there are available options to watch.

no one hates when the news breaks in more than me, especially when the “news” could easily have waited. but these astronauts went to space for what was supposed to be 8 days and wound up having to stay more than 9 months! so yeah, that they’re finally back is a big deal.

no relationship at all, or lost in the shuffle of so much going on with unrelated characters? he has to have some kind of relationship with father, even if it’s a bad relationship.

vernon is martin’s grandfather — ted is his father.

someone correct me if i’m wrong, but beyond martin telling his mother that he’s thinking of run for president, i can’t recall any interaction between martin and his parents. we’re in week4: given his dickish behavior toward his husband his ‘secret,’ it would be nice to know know what kind of relationship martin and ted have.

it feels as though we’ve met almost all of those 40 characters in the first few weeks, which is a lot — maybe too many? — in such a short time.

wondered about that. thought it might have been production issues, then i realized how well they took advantage of black history month to promote the show.

agreed — someone up thread wondered where they could take her after the sh*t hits the fan. re kat: possible the actor wasn’t available.

a couple if things: political campaigns on soaps have never had anything to do with reality. if the show is floating this presidential nonsense now, no way they’re going to wait three years to move forward. so, yeah, martin has to be at least 34. as for nicole, i suppose she could have gotten pregnant in medical school — 23-24 — which would make her late 50s. of course, as the ‘sensible’ sister, i would have expected her to get pregnant after she began her residency — at least 26 — 26+35=61. as new viewers come on, they will continue to raise the question. it a problem that could have been so easily avoided, but i just don’t see any way for mvj to square this circle.

Disagree completely. not a problem. i suspect some of these differences of opinion are generational for the record: i was in kindergarten when ‘world turns came on the air in 1956 — you can do the math:) — but those early soaps (often dismissed as “your grandmother’s soap opera” were a very different animal from what the genre’s become over the decades.

What about a Roger Thorpe? Or Stefano DiMera? i’ve never watched days…, so i can’t speak to stefano. nor have i watched much of the bell shows, however, i really don’t like villains like shelia. but, i can tell you about roger thorpe. as played by michael zaslow — one of the best soap actors ever — viewers could see all of roger’s internal conflicts and emotional layers when roger came on guiding light in 1971, it was not as a villain. he was a user, a manipulator, and had a troubled relationship with father. he wan’t running someone off the road, potentially killing someone, his first week on the show. he grew into his dark side i know i’ve said this about these first weeks of btg: too much happening too fast — no buildup, no chance for viewers to anticipate! — to too many characters we’ve only just met.

i know this year’s daytime emmys aren’t happening until the fall — and there’s been a lot of talk about potential daytime emmy nods — but ‘beyond the gates’ won’t be eligible for this year’s awards. just saying…

amnesia — really? ! well, that’s original!

They just drain the energy out of the show whenever they’re on. It’s a combination of the characters being so damn generic, actors lacking charisma (Jen Jacob), and just being plain wooden as hell (Ben Gavin). add to that, the writing hasn’t given them much to work with.

“dani and the duprees”: sounds like a 60s girl group:)

i feel that way about so much that’s happened in the first two weeks. the first friday: a shotgun wedding and deliberate car crash. this week: a hostage situation; a character we’ve barely met targeted by a likely mobbed-up casino owner (whose name i’d have to look up) — oh yes, how could i forget — a three-way! i’m exhausted just typing this:) i know they think that they have to come fast out of the gate and maintain the momentum. but, maybe not… it’s possible this might prove counter-productive for some viewers. i’ve already see a few comments — not a lot, but still — from people who are out: too much happening too fast to too many characters. wondering if they maintained this pace for everything already recorded. and, i’m really curious whether they have done (or will do) any market research i’m painfully aware of the damage of what eileen fulton called ‘f*ckus groups,’ inflected in soaps. but, in this situation, viewer feedback could be useful.

I get the "cross paths" aspect. But I also have a photographer, a firefighter, and two daughters traipsing there. Meanwhile, there's like ONE nurse (regular, one dayplayer nosy Nellie type) a cardiologist (who I don't think's bothered to be there yet) and a plastic surgeon. Granted, it's only week two, but so far, it seems like there's more concern about been seen kissing the SO other than any kind of work there’s not always a logical way for the writers to get characters in the same place at the same time, so this is one soap opera trope i’ve always been willing to handwave.

physicians do have their own offices. hospital and restaurants provide public spaces where it makes sense for various characters to cross paths.

i’d expect so.

as i recall, guarantees are averaged over 13 weeks. so there may be weeks when an actor appears in fewer episodes than their guarantee, so when they can do more weekly episodes when the story demands.