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sorry — meant to include this in my reply.

We can dream!!!! Although technically it was CBS who cancelled them. P&G failed to find a new venue to move them to. P&G accepted their ends as if inevitable. And, yes, nitpick. Paul Rauch literally was putting together a group of people to talk to about a new venue for GL at the time of his death. yeah. you can nitpick the details. but the fact is p&g start walking away from its shows around 2006-2007, when they changed the name to telenext and took the pgp logo off the shows. re media coverage: the la times did some solid reporting after cbs engineered the 1995 executive producer shuffle. and a couple of years later, the ny times had a great piece detailing how and why p&g changed course and replaced ken fitts with micki dwyer-dobbin. that the kind of reporting i’m talking about.

in the kind of in-depth piece i would like to see, all of the people involved would be interviewed. what i’d really want is for someone at p&g to talk about how the company decided to do a 180 after cancelling ‘world turns and gl.

not so much problematic as curious. this the missing part of the story. how did p&g come to this decision. since there’s no real soap media anymore, it would have to be some mainstream or entertainment outlet to do a deep dive. not holding my breath.

as i mentioned upthread — several errors.

it would be really nice if p&g could get a grip on its history. first, they say ‘as the world turns’ aired for 72 years. to set the record straight: the first black actress on daytime television was micki grant on ‘another world,’ who started in july, 1965. and re black actors: james earl jones and billy dee williams began in early January 1966 — jones on ‘as the world turns,’ and williams on ‘guiding light.’ jones later replaced williams on gl. and ruby dee replaced cicely tyson.

just saw this. free link. jerry butler ny times obit

I used to hate the bitch slaps & catfights but somehow that changed. I know it began last year with the MVJ-written catfight on GENERATIONS. Not that it happened last year but when I saw it & for some unknown reason appreciated it for its best-ness. Now just today I find I'm interested in a catfight on GL between Laura Wright & Gina Tognoni. Anita & Dani are the BTG characters I'm most interested in, so far. But, I don't think it's because Dani delivers a slap well in a promo. people posting here have been following ‘beyond the gates’ for months, and know a lot about — maybe too much:) — about the show. but we’re hardly representative of the larger pool of prospective viewers, many, if not most, of whom will have heard about the show from the promos.

funny, i feel exactly the opposite. i’ve always hated the bitch slaps and cat fights, which for the record, began on ‘dynasty’ in the early 80s and soon infiltrated daytime. while i’ve been observing and writing about soaps for decades, so have a professional interest, and i will always watch anything with tamara tunie, but if all i knew about ‘beyond the gates’ was from the on-air promos — the slaps, punches, violent outbursts, and scantly-clad couples — i likely wouldn’t be watching. of course, i will — with great interest.

have it up on youtube, but nothing seems to be happening.

fwiw: larry gates did play the doctor in the film version of ‘cat on a hot tin roof.’

agreed! and, have to say, re all of those bitch slaps and violence in the promos: less is more — at least for this longtime soap fan.

Kevin Frazier’s voiceover was not fact checked. The P&G executive was talking about GL, and looks like the folks who put this show together couldn’t tell the difference between GL and ATWT. my point, exactly!

someone needs to remind cbs and et that atwt ran for 54 years, NOT 72.

have to wonder who’s editing cady’s wikipedia page… detailed accounts of her film, theater, and primtime work. but, this is it regarding daytime: Daytime television “McClain won Emmys for three of her four daytime drama roles — spanning three networks, over three decades.[3] In 2025, it was announced McClain had joined the cast of Beyond the Gates as Pamela Curtis.[4][5][6]”

mine, too. though if would have been nice if someone had taken the time to factcheck. ‘world turns ran for 54 years. it was guiding light that ran for 72 years, including 15 years on radio before it moved to television.

We've literally talked about it before. may have missed it with so many posts, but haven’t notice any extended conversation on the issue.

I think BTG is mostly going to struggle from a new soap being introduced in 2025 and likely being seen as "DEI" by bigots at a time when they run every part of our media and government the elephant in the room that no on wants to acknowledge out loud.

could be wrong about this, and correct me if i am. but, as i recall, sometimes in the 90s, networks ceded time after 3pm to their local affiliates, which meant that they could do what they pleased with soaps that aired @ 3 — gl and aw. but the affiliates couldn’t mess with the shows that aired before 3 — the rest of the soap lineups

it was 1995, when WCBS, which was owned by the network, move gl to 10am. around the same time the boston affiliate had it @ 9. while hard to measure the impact, i’ve always felt it was the beginning of the end. same thing happened with another world. in boston, it was on some obscure local station in the middle of the night.

or perhaps not! my mother hated it, stopped watching, and refused to return — no matter how many times i told her that doug marland had righted the ship.

i seem to remember that early on, soap operas didn’t run cast lists. and that aftra has to intervene. can’t find anything online. would appreciate any info.

words fail… free link: trump names self to head kennedy center

watching schumer react to what’s happening is scary, pathetic — and absolutely terrifying.

they just opened up the ny times piece to comments. free link. ny times beyond the gates