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with the exception of bill and haley, there was a constant repetition of how wonderful every character was that i found artificial — just not how people speak naturally.

agreed. this comment from another board struck me as an illustration. i get that recap is a soap opera necessity, but i found this constancy redundancy annoying. “I really wish they would stop praising how great everybody is, I had a family and we barely admitted we liked each other. Half the show is people blowing smoke up each other's butt. Other that Bill and Hayley, everybody else is up for sainthood. The only times anyone said something that seemed real was describing Dani and it is always about her being slightly unhinged.”

i wasn’t too familiar with his work, so i took a look and came across this on knotslanding.net. have to wonder who made this up. or maybe they had a ouija board… also — mesothelioma is from exposure to asbestos. curious how he was exposed. interview dated 24 jamuary 2025

for me, it was way too much happening. would have been happier if everything had unfolded over a few weeks — the leslie/eva story, for example — could have gotten to know them and how they fit into the landscape before finding out their agenda.

not just the wedding. the whole week felt rushed — so much happening, so many people, i had to keep checking a cheat sheet to keep track of the characters and the relationships among them. and, as i mentioned upthread: i would have been ok if the leslie/eva/ted reveal had happened nexr week — even the week after.

with you there! and, i know i’m going to be in the minority here, but i found the entire week exhausting. so many characters i needed to check with a cheat sheet to keep them — and their relationships — straight. and so much going on i’m not suggesting a return to storylines that dragged on for months before a resolution. but, i do miss being able to anticipate what might be happening. i would have been perfectly happy to find out about leslie/eve/ted next week — or even the week after.

the initial special report is over. however, after the private meeting is done, there will be a press conference which could well preempt btg. so… stay tuned!

cbs owns the show.

me, too! this is helpful: character cheat sheet

want to watch the first week before posting my impressions. but, this really sticks out. haven’t watched soaps for over 10 years, so i don’t know if this is the new standard. but, not loving these 5-minute scenes followed by 3-5 minutes of commercials and promos. 1st and 2nd breaks within 1st ten minutes 3rd@ 2:22-2:25 4th@2:30-2:35 5th@2:39-2:42 6th@2:48-2:51 7th@2:57-3:00

handwaving re soap characters’ ages is part of the deal. but, ishe repeating that she was 19 and it’s been more than 30 years, which keeps reminding viewers.

me, too!

talk about back to the future… in september 1948, a few months before irna phillips began working on television’s first soap opera, “these are my children,” she shared her thoughts about televising soaps with p&g executive, william ramsey: “the intriguing angle, of course, is the commercial angle where the product could be seen and used, but not announced…offhand i can see two girls washing out sheer hose in a hell of a dramatic scene.”

roberta flack has passed… hope she and donny hathaway are are once again making beautiful music together free link. roberta flack obit

sorry — meant to include this in my reply.

We can dream!!!! Although technically it was CBS who cancelled them. P&G failed to find a new venue to move them to. P&G accepted their ends as if inevitable. And, yes, nitpick. Paul Rauch literally was putting together a group of people to talk to about a new venue for GL at the time of his death. yeah. you can nitpick the details. but the fact is p&g start walking away from its shows around 2006-2007, when they changed the name to telenext and took the pgp logo off the shows. re media coverage: the la times did some solid reporting after cbs engineered the 1995 executive producer shuffle. and a couple of years later, the ny times had a great piece detailing how and why p&g changed course and replaced ken fitts with micki dwyer-dobbin. that the kind of reporting i’m talking about.

in the kind of in-depth piece i would like to see, all of the people involved would be interviewed. what i’d really want is for someone at p&g to talk about how the company decided to do a 180 after cancelling ‘world turns and gl.

not so much problematic as curious. this the missing part of the story. how did p&g come to this decision. since there’s no real soap media anymore, it would have to be some mainstream or entertainment outlet to do a deep dive. not holding my breath.

as i mentioned upthread — several errors.

it would be really nice if p&g could get a grip on its history. first, they say ‘as the world turns’ aired for 72 years. to set the record straight: the first black actress on daytime television was micki grant on ‘another world,’ who started in july, 1965. and re black actors: james earl jones and billy dee williams began in early January 1966 — jones on ‘as the world turns,’ and williams on ‘guiding light.’ jones later replaced williams on gl. and ruby dee replaced cicely tyson.

just saw this. free link. jerry butler ny times obit

I used to hate the bitch slaps & catfights but somehow that changed. I know it began last year with the MVJ-written catfight on GENERATIONS. Not that it happened last year but when I saw it & for some unknown reason appreciated it for its best-ness. Now just today I find I'm interested in a catfight on GL between Laura Wright & Gina Tognoni. Anita & Dani are the BTG characters I'm most interested in, so far. But, I don't think it's because Dani delivers a slap well in a promo. people posting here have been following ‘beyond the gates’ for months, and know a lot about — maybe too much:) — about the show. but we’re hardly representative of the larger pool of prospective viewers, many, if not most, of whom will have heard about the show from the promos.

funny, i feel exactly the opposite. i’ve always hated the bitch slaps and cat fights, which for the record, began on ‘dynasty’ in the early 80s and soon infiltrated daytime. while i’ve been observing and writing about soaps for decades, so have a professional interest, and i will always watch anything with tamara tunie, but if all i knew about ‘beyond the gates’ was from the on-air promos — the slaps, punches, violent outbursts, and scantly-clad couples — i likely wouldn’t be watching. of course, i will — with great interest.

have it up on youtube, but nothing seems to be happening.

fwiw: larry gates did play the doctor in the film version of ‘cat on a hot tin roof.’