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He had a last day or two that was actually very well-written by the ghostwriting Malone and Griffith in January '03 - I believe he tracks Jessica down at Al's where she is staying shortly before Erin's Jessica leaves town (a nice reminder of the Al/Jessica childhood friendship from the '90s that was too often neglected later) and they have a proper, mature breakup. Probably Seth and Jessica's best-written scenes period. When Bree's Jessica goes missing because of the Victor mess not long after, in February or March, Viki calls Seth off-camera (presumably still in town) to ask if she's seen him. That's the last mention of him.

Agreed. But I didn't see anything objectionable in VH's performance so since Carnes turned it down we might as well have him.

The continuing problem with almost all characters under 30-40 on this show. I would kill Chase or divorce them offscreen immediately. If Setton doesn't want to play young horny BLQ she can dip too!

As was always rumored at the time, yes. The show really screwed themselves.

The way they treated her onscreen seemed personal, especially in early '04. There is a scene where Jason laces into Carly for betraying Sonny that is so nasty, I never forgot it. And it all clearly went back to the Lorenzo thing taking off. Meanwhile Sonny gets his own new set (Greystone), his own leather jacket (supposedly because TK had one but who knows, lol) and Kelly Monaco to play with to try to compensate.

It was no secret there was drama BTS in 2003-2005 with that whole gang, I'm just surprised Mo owned up to it.

I hadn't seen this one posted: I never thought I’d see bloopers related to that weird period when you could constantly hear the hammering and construction next door to them in 2002 lol.

Does he? I'm surprised he admitted it. Dish, dish.

I'll never forget their antics. Truly deranged.

I have no great love for Liz Cheney and never will, but she did put party above country re: Trump and her statement will move a few voters. That's all I care about. She also influences media narrative, as they adore her. Anyone online wailing about it doesn't get that, they always assume an endorsement from an outside party means the candidate will be magically beholden to that party in office. That's not how it works. From the very reliable Jon Ralston: Also:

They're really unsubtle. They were certain with Finn gone and Jarly tanking they'd have a clear path at Jason and it's never going to happen. Fortunately they're not the majority of viewers re: Lucky and Liz.

That's because a lot of them on Twitter are Liason stans. Liz with psycho Ric again does nothing for me because I could never believe she'd be with him again after the 2000s and the panic room, though I enjoy Ric for what he is (a crazy slimeball). I had no particular fondness for LNL2 in the '90s, I found them too saccharine, but the older version appeals to me. JJ and Becky still have it if not moreso now that they're older IMO. It's just that Jonathan's return interferes with the show a lot of the Twitter kids had planned in their heads, so they act very vocal to project bigger numbers than they have. (Similar case in point: The supposedly massive fanbases of Sonny and Nina, Michael and Willow, etc.)

We don't have to guess why many of those people are back, I suspect.

I could not care less about Sidwell/Carlo Rota, no matter how charming he was on 24 20+ years ago. The character is not that interesting. If they try to make him the new Cyrus hanging around forever or make him Eva LaRue's ex or something I am just going to go back under my covers lol. This show has one trick and one trick only.

They're not going to care.

I agree. That's what a lot of the debate was about IMO. He's trying to look past MAGA, but I don't think it will work out for him down the road any more than others.

What a class act, anywhere I saw him. RIP.

That's never going to happen for some people, but he remains dramatically unpopular. I don't need him to be fully destroyed, I just need him to lose. Meanwhile:

I believe a fair amount of polling, I just don't think it shows that and I don't see or hear that narrative coming out of most pollsters. In most of the key states Harris is still up on Trump, or at the very least tied in ways that are not good for him. There is a reason pollsters still say she now has the edge and has had it for some time. If that changes then that's another story.

Lucky and Liz had kids young and look appropriate enough given those onscreen circumstances. Jonathan himself had kids as early as '03. The talented veterans are not the issue, the issue is they cast a twunk who's a bit too old to play Aiden. But if he can act I guess it's whatever at this point.

The Bulwark likes Walz (but prefers Shapiro, of course) and despises Trump. I don't have much use for the Bulwark people or trust them in the long-term because I remember who they are and where they come from, every single one of them. When we win they should be disposed of because they'll do the same to us. But I appreciate their killer instinct because I remember that from the 2000s too, and frankly Democrats need more of that to destroy MAGA (which will not end immediately, it'll take awhile). I do think they're right that the Trump cult may not take well to nice Vance from last night - it's not who they wanted or needed up there, but it's how he burnishes his brand to attempt a run in '28. Anyway: Polling: