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I remember Donna even saying to Brooke this was crazy..and asked why Brooke couldn't be happy with her life. Episode 309 posted on the channel..where Donna told Brooke about the nude photos...and Brooke acting outraged..with Donna parading he4 body and going against the morals they were raised with lol. What happenes to this Brooke? Donna in 87/88 was in college for journalism....so when i look at a lot of the stories that Brooke and Katie had...they should have been given to Donna such as the Brooke's bedroom story..working at Spencer Publications..etc. I also think if they couldn't get the original actress back, they should of had Heather Tom play Donna instead of Katie.... and just had Katie be recurring. You can tell by episode 309 that Bell didnt have interest in writing Katie.

Ive been anti Bethenny since season 7... she's exhausting. Jason may have been a jerk..but i would be if i were with Bethenny. rhobh Teddi is a kill joy Erika G is fun, Erika Jayne..not so much Kyle has phobias yet wasnt afraid to drive that accident prone car around...hmmm. i guess fear is not logical. Camille showing some of her S1 persona I hope they donated the leftover/unused food to food pantries.

Sounds like the Wayne/lenore/Walter/liz story had some long term legs on it. Did the tone/pace of the story change when Lemay took over for Cenedella? It sounds like Cenedella came up with decent build up, climax of manslaughter, and guilt over what he had done....and Lemay picked it up by having Liz go after Lenore..Walter dying..and Lenore feeling huge guilt over knowing the truth.

Any noticeable difference in the character with Ms. Turner in the role?

When she was on atwt..she was married to a soap actor...the porn star hubby came about in the late 80s when she was a make up artist for that traci lord movie. In interviews, she seemed spirited and fun..yet that didnt come through on Atwt.

When watching the earliewt episodes..i always forget brooke/ridge didnt officially meet till 50+ episodes into the show. When watching these early episodes, do you think there are any clues to indicate brooke/ridge were gonna be major? I recall as a small child, my mom watching the 1st episode when it debuted..and when she laid eyes on Brooke in those first few seconds she said 'I don't trust her...she looks like trouble'.

I kind of liked the quirky energy of early 80s atwt...but I guess it wasn't as popular hence the hiring of Marland in the mid 80s...talented but bland. I'm kind of glad he didnt get his hands on fun female characters like Diana, Karen or Ariel...he would have snapped them of their spirit and made them as morose as Shannon ended up becoming by the late 80s.

I never understood why the show put Gina with Lauren's father..when the character of Leslie would have made more sense...and made Leslie sympathetic..and have Lauren really develop as a daddy's girl...and Leslie would have been on to her and been an ally to Traci, etc. Oh well

Yeah, there was a.scene in the mid 80s where Traci and Cricket were having lunch... it was before 1986 and after 1983..because the scene that followed was a Nikki and Victor one where they were talking about Ashley...and Ashley wasnt in their orbit in 1983.

Wasn't Nikki briefly a model/spokesmodel for Jabot after she/Victor married? The one thing I never thought the show did enough of was utilize the Jill/Nikki dynamic... yes, they fought over a man.. and were warring mother in laws... but if you think about it.. both Jill/Nikki came from working class/humble beginnings.. and both strived for more than they were raised in. While both ended up marrying a man of money.. Jill seemed to take her experience working in nail salons and used it to move up at Jabot.. and proved herself adept.. and amassed her own fortune/success.. while Nikki was a lady of leisure.

I always will think of Loring as Wednesday Addams from the 1960s The Addams Family... She was on for 3 to 4 years on ATWT.. and I always thought it weird that Cricket never came back even for visits. You'd think Marland would have had the character come back for visits when her mom got married, her step dad passed away, etc.

Kay was almost like an enabler for Nikki's dysfunction and her toxic relationship with Victor. Casey did come back in the mid to late 80s gor awhile..and was Nikki's conscience. So without Casey in the picture, Nikki ended up on the hamster wheel of Victor. Didnt Victor show interest in Casey long before he crossed paths with Nikki as well?

I do find it a shame that Karen left the next year.. because I do think she could have fit into Oakdale mid/late 80s period... same as with Diana.

In housewife land, I understand doritos logic since the format is now about drama and fighting...but there has to be some common sense and logic. It took Kyle and LVP 2 seasons before they got back on track. But neither changed hence why they aren't speaking again. Erika has the best talking heads..she said LVP doesnt care about them so why care about her. Erika is a colder less humorous version of LVP...so it makes sense she can read LVP better than most.

When eden was presumed dead..didn't CC want to groom Kelly to work at Capwell? Didnt she mention something about art..or design? And oddly, EileenDavidson's take on Kelly reminded me more of Eden. I would have just had her be an Eden recast... couldn't have been worse..imho

Karen....I don't get ttlhe love for. Great outfits..but grande dame? Cocky much? I will admit it still seems fresh and not contrived unlike some of the other shows. Rhony...thank gosh for Barbara adding a new element..or I wouldn't even bother watching. I like shows that change cast mates...and I wish the shows would do it more often.

People dressed better in the late 80s than they do now. It was back when everyone had money, or could afford to appear as though they did.

Madonna came up with ray of light and music after major changes in her life (motherhood, moving to the UK)....so when she moved to Lisbon..I had a feeling she would be inspired. It sounds modern, yet also unique and a classit's own its own. And she actually did a music video with a story!

Brain fart...my bad! You are absolutely correct

Dorinda needs rehab...she's mean, bitter and uglier on the inside than Bethenny...and that's saying something.

If they truly wanted to freeze her out...stop talking about her and create some drama...thank gosh for Camille.

I was always hoping that dru be brought back when he was with Karen (Nia long)...it would have had 3 gifted actors playing a triangle where no one was the bad guy...plus Victoria rowell expressed thinking Nia Long was a talented actor..so it could have been a good story.

I think Mary dying when the C from the sign fell on her was the best twist..and oddly made sense. I'll even say I liked that a middle class family The Walkers were introduced...and even liked all of them...but fo agree BJ and Warren were a bad fit...Warren/Angela were a good couple.

So that's who Gretchen was... that was Katherine Kelly Lang first soap role I believe. She was a friend of Patty at the start of the whole Patty/Danny/Jack story...hmmm. I guess Nikki/Victor didn't end up meeting till October 1981 I assume?

Andy Cohen needs to be removed..he no longer knows what works and doesnt wo4k anymore.