I could do w/o the crossovers. I'm not looking forward to the upcoming Y&R involvement.

The two shows are very different beasts and at this point Y&R is in such a poor state that any association tarnishes BTG in my eyes.

As for the mentions of ATWT etc take it or leave it.

I'd rather BTG focuses on their own universe and addressing some issues.

I was thinking about the Hayley story.

Hayley is a paralegal right? A paralegal is a trained legal professional who assists lawyers and solicitors by performing substantive legal work, such as drafting documents, conducting legal research, and interviewing clients, but they cannot provide legal advice or act without supervision.

So in between her other scams Hayley -is that her real name?- managed to get that training. Did that happen as a result of meeting Naomi? Was she parachuted into Bill's firm to help her out. How many years was she on the scene before she managed to nab Bill? It seemed like that was her goal the whole time, so it seems like a lot of trouble to go to.

Surely there were other unattached men available?

In canon, they have established (via Lynette) that Hayley has used more than one name; although we don't know for certain what is her birth name.

In canon, we know that Hayley got to know Naomi, when Hayley was * claiming * to be a young adult orphan waif named Hayley Lawson - an adult waif persona.
It has not been established where Naomi and Hayley first met? But I think she wanted Bill so she pretended to befriend Naomi. Dani and Naomi "took her in" to the family -- but not as a child -- they didn't adopt/foster her -- they took her into the family circle, something like starting with inviting her to dinner, then more regular visits. Hayley got Dani to mentor her and gradually subtly influenced Dani to convince Bill to hire her.

I honestly don't remember if they said (in canon) when Hayley got paralegal training, if it was something Dani pushed or if it was something she already knew -- I think Dani arranged for Hayley to be certified or whatever or maybe take a class? My memory on this is foggy.

Now here is what I'm only imagining in my head canon:
I'm going to * speculate/assume * that Hayley had already crafted a fake background in legal work. She had knowledge of legal stuff from her years as a con artist. She might actually be 10 years older than she pretends to be? ? This would all be part of her long goal of using Bill as her mark. Just my guesses.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by janea4old

I don't mind that the CBS/P&G soaps are in universe. Yet, I can also do without crossovers as they hardly, if ever, have the impact on story and viewership that is desired. The only reason, I am in favor of it, is that it allows BTG to integrate characters from other shows that are already established. Not that I think anyone in particular from ATWT and GL would be added to the canvas, but for example Mel Bauer was a John Hopkins graduate and a nurse. If they ever wanted to bring in a character (not necessarily an actor) with an established past that would be one way of doing it. However, this would only work for those who are establish soap viewers and of particular shows.

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

Hayley -is that her real name?

1 hour ago, janea4old said:

n canon, they have established (via Lynette) that Hayley has used more than one name; although we don't know for certain what is her birth name.

Well, I thought in canon, that Hayley's real name is Valerie? Outside of her other aliases of course.

Thank you! I thought it was Valerie, but I admit that I haven't followed closely recently so I wasn't absolutely sure. Appreciate the reply.

22 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

For a long time, it felt like Hayley was friends with Naomi for a good length of time when they were younger, and then got with Bill.

I was thinking the same thing and then when they decided to shift Hayley's story to the "Kill "Bill" story it changed. Now I think Hayley was supposed to have met Naomi and Ashley a few years ago to ingratiate herself into Bill's orbit.

I'm glad Hayley's story changed to make her a con artist because she has become far more interesting. She was grating on my nerves until that twist.