5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I would agree with all of this except I'd keep Rory's Michael and ship the kids off to Sasha so they all can be raised together or something.

That could work, too!

Except, in MY projections, Willow hires a private investigator to trail Carly, because she believes Carly knows where Michael and the kids are, even though Carly actually doesn't. This leads to Willow finding out that Carly lied to Brennan about breaking things off with Valentin...which leads to Willow spilling the beans to Brennan...which leads to Brennan and Carly's dramatic breakup and Brennan's exit (after setting up Joss for what he knows is a "suicide mission" for the WSB)...which leads to Jason and/or Sonny arranging for Willow to be "removed" from PC "for her own good" (it's open-ended as to what actually happens to Willow, but...think Claudia)...which leads to Michael's return (maybe without the kids?) and Drew declaring war against Sonny and his own "twin" brother (even though Drew had moved on already from Willow to either Jacinda or Kristina).

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Imma just sort through all these great ideas and get back to you lol.

What I will say is I would wait a while to expose only some of Willow's misdeeds at a time, gradually. I would intend to run her for another few years before eventually killing her off in grand glory. To do that she has to be able to skate on some crimes for awhile, keep her power base or find another. For example, Drew would keep her secret to keep her under his thumb and in their psychosexual, twisted yet mutually beneficial marriage for awhile (eventually they would be shed of each other). She can be exposed and disgraced on some things (often without proof for prosecution) but she has to be able to recoup. Or she can always do a bid in Ferncliff and fakes good behavior til she can get loose.

I wouldn't fully close the net, with something where she's dead to rights and cannot get away with Ferncliff time or a good lawyer or just a public shaming, for another 2-4 years at least. Only then would you finally get Who Killed Willow Quartermaine.

And yeah, Willow faking her cancer coming back to escape judgment would be one of her very last stories for me. If not her last. And one of her other exposures (if not that one) would be inadvertently tripped by little paste-eater Wiley himself, who by then would have a new name of some sort (WTF is Wiley anyway? how did that happen??) and be recast with a better, distinctly less creepy child. But yes, I would ship off those kids for years.

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1 minute ago, Vee said:

Or she can always do a bid in Ferncliff and fakes good behavior til she can get loose.

So, you want to turn Willow into the next Heather? If that's the case, then, yeah, Jacinda should be murdered; and Chase, as the investigating officer, is torn between protecting Willow, who was at the scene when it happened (and has injuries to prove it) but who claims she can't remember the actual crime or "whodunnit"; and nailing her, because, he, along with many others, rightly suspects Willow might have been there to do the deed herself (and frame Michael) but somebody beat her to it.

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8 minutes ago, Vee said:

(WTF is Wiley anyway? how did that happen??)

He must be one-eyed and has a (toy) plane he calls the "Winnie Mae."

(My fellow Okies will get it).

Oh, and I should add: Drew uses his political muscle to pressure the PCPD into investigating Jason and Sonny, believing the two have murdered Willow, even though there's no evidence of any wrongdoing. At some point, even Carly worries the two might be going down. That's when Willow makes a dramatic reappearance and stuns everyone at the court hearing...but the folks at home get the shock of a lifetime when they learn she isn't the real Willow Tait Quartermaine, but a lookalike the two have hired to impersonate the still-missing Willow.

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1 minute ago, Khan said:

So, you want to turn Willow into the next Heather? I

Well, yes and no. Willow would be much more clever and conniving than the modern version of Heather who is just a straight lunatic. Heather BITD was much more subtle. For example, at one point Willow would gaslight/drug Michael into PTSD madness stemming from his past as well as the fire in '25 that led to the recast. She'd then frame him for a series of murders dating back to the accidental death of Abby Haver, the erotic dancer/hooker he dated as a very young man and ending with Jacinda, who she wouldn't have killed herself (Sidwell or somebody would be responsible for it, Willow would not be involved, just capitalizing on it). Willow would make Michael, whose past speaks for itself going back to Claudia Zacchara, look like the unknown cold case serial killer Port Charles never knew was lurking in its wake for years, a la IRL real estate scion Robert Durst. All so she can get her kids back and get revenge on him. It would fall apart eventually and Michael would get his own back, but he wouldn't be able to fully put her away for it. Or she'd do a stretch in Ferncliff, then play nice and get out. That's just one storyline. And in the meantime Willow continues to have the protection of Drew and the Quartermaine name for a good stretch, before possibly finding someone else. (And a string of young lovers of course, as Heather once had. Poor Joe Kelly.)

I would def waste Chase at some point but I'd leave him as her lovesick fool and corrupt PI (because no way is he lasting long on the force, though he could try to help her build the fake case against Michael) for awhile before he totally self-immolates. Willow would have other hapless beaus in future. And possibly hatesex with Michael at some point. I would never have them get back together, and probably never even let him be so bamboozled as to seriously consider it. Michael would be with either a hard-charging Asian-American surgeon who is connected to the Wus, or with Serena Baldwin herself. Both of whom could clash with Willow.

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5 minutes ago, Vee said:

For example, at one point Willow would gaslight/drug Michael into PTSD madness stemming from his past as well as the fire in '25 that led to the recast. She'd then frame him for a series of murders dating back to the accidental death of Abby Haver, the erotic dancer/hooker he dated as a very young man and ending with Jacinda, who she wouldn't have killed herself (Sidwell or somebody would be responsible for it, Willow would not be involved, just capitalizing on it). Willow would make Michael, whose past speaks for itself going back to Claudia Zacchara, look like the unknown cold case serial killer Port Charles never knew was lurking in its wake for years, a la IRL real estate scion Robert Durst. All she should can get her kids back and get revenge on him.

Interesting! You could tie Michael to a series of "call girl killings" that plague the upstate NY area - which would be twisted, considering his own maternal grandmother had been a sex worker herself. But I'd also create a new character who is also a prostitute (or exotic dancer, or both) and a potential, new love interest for Michael. She has been targeted by the killer - whoever he turns out to be - so, of course, on the one hand, she's terrified of Michael. But, on the other hand, she's also drawn to him (and ends up coming to his rescue in the climactic showdown with the real serial killer). In time, she turns her life around and becomes PCPD's latest recruit, as she and Drew edge closer to an actual relationship (one that will be fraught with tension, of course, given his ties to Sonny and Jason).

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

Dante saying the WSB mission was the end of his/Lulu's marriage, but wasn't the real crack Dante cheating with Valerie, Lulu's cousin?

This is one of those things that I know happened, but I just find it hard to believe. I know it’s a show, but pretty much everything with Dante/Lulu until the Lulu recast has felt incredibly poorly written and not in character for either of them at all. I just don’t buy that version of Dante, he was a stand up guy. I really hate what they did with Lulu, no wonder JMB left the show and is still like never again.

22 minutes ago, Khan said:

Interesting! You could tie Michael to a series of "call girl killings" that plague the upstate NY area - which would be twisted, considering his own maternal grandmother had been a sex worker herself. But I'd also create a new character who is also a prostitute (or exotic dancer, or both) and a potential, new love interest for Michael.

I just have no interest in Michael dating yet another sex worker tbh lol. That's just one reason I have no time for Jacinda. But I do think using his past is good fodder for an enemy, including linking him to crimes like you mention which have nothing to do with him.

48 minutes ago, Vee said:

And yeah, Willow faking her cancer coming back to escape judgment would be one of her very last stories for me. If not her last. And one of her other exposures (if not that one) would be inadvertently tripped by little paste-eater Wiley himself, who by then would have a new name of some sort (WTF is Wiley anyway? how did that happen??) and be recast with a better, distinctly less creepy child. But yes, I would ship off those kids for years.

I agree. Let’s finally get her faking the cancer but not until close to the end. She and Michael can even be back in the gatehouse and give us another Susan Moore murder mystery.

As far as those kids go, these are Quartermaines. If we can’t have a gold digger nanny looking to marry a Q taking care of them and doing the bend and snap in front of hot Michael, then send them off to boarding school!

1 minute ago, Vee said:

I just have no interest in Michael dating yet another sex worker tbh lol.

Oh, c'mon, it's not like he's dated all of Sweet Daddy Williams' girls, lol! He's dated, what, two (Jacinda and Crane Girl)? That wouldn't even get him a spot on "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show."

39 minutes ago, Khan said:

Oh, c'mon, it's not like he's dated all of Sweet Daddy Williams' girls, lol! He's dated, what, two (Jacinda and Crane Girl)? That wouldn't even get him a spot on "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show."

If Matthew Cowles was still with us this is where Billy Clyde Tuggle would turn up to ply his wares at age 95 or whatever.

Random thought: many of the actors who played pimps and madams on ABC soaps are dead. Gerald Anthony, Jacqueline Courtney, Matthew Cowles, Patricia Elliott. It's time for Roscoe Orman and/or Dan Lauria to make a surprise guest appearance as the big boss in Port Charles.

I have never seen Jacquie Courtney's madam role. I would kill to see that.

Billy Clyde still swanning around with more carnie-looking tricks in 2013 on AMC 2.0 was a hoot.

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58 minutes ago, Franko said:

Random thought: many of the actors who played pimps and madams on ABC soaps are dead. Gerald Anthony, Jacqueline Courtney, Matthew Cowles, Patricia Elliott. It's time for Roscoe Orman and/or Dan Lauria to make a surprise guest appearance as the big boss in Port Charles.

I think Orman and Lauria are dead, too.